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53x11 04-04-2020 10:44 AM
Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 3023347)
Any chance you’d go for 61.5 and up on your age limit? :D

Denny
pm sent Denny

Gone Flying 04-04-2020 10:50 AM
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3023358)
Can you imagine the posting/furball to come if the company offers an “early out” program outside of DALPA concurrence, that is targeted by BES, not seniority? Seen “sweetheart” deals re retirement in the past. Does anything in the contract prevent something like that? It might not respect seniority but methinks those at the bottom wouldn’t care if they are looking at furlough. That’s how it went down before....divide and conquer. Bottom 1/3 for it to mitigate furloughs, top 1/3 for it because they were hoping it would reach them and if it didn’t, they rapidly move up, then the middle 1/3 throwing the BS flag

FWIW I'm almost positive AAs deal was by BES and age.

-First was by BES, they had to want to reduce manning in your category
-Second was age, all the age 64 folks in your category got a crack at it before any age 63 folks ect...
-Last was by senority only among people your age and in your BES.

AA guys please feel free to correct if I'm wrong

AUpilot1 04-04-2020 11:03 AM
Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3023374)
FWIW I'm almost positive AAs deal was by BES and age.

-First was by BES, they had to want to reduce manning in your category
-Second was age, all the age 64 folks in your category got a crack at it before any age 63 folks ect...
-Last was by senority only among people your age and in your BES.

AA guys please feel free to correct if I'm wrong

It started out as equipment and seat at age 64 then 63....62. However they ended up granting the early retirement to everyone who applied.

Swakid8 04-04-2020 11:04 AM
Originally Posted by overqualified52 (Post 3022971)
Isn’t he the same Turd that screwed over 20,000 employees in Pittsburgh? Awesome , state of the Art Terminal that has sat empty for years now . It never did make a comeback . But , I’m not a financial or business guru , but do you guys think that Delta or any of these carriers could be split up ? Or is it just everyone fighting for themselves to survive ? You guys in the forum would know better than I .
Negative, that was before Dougie.

53x11 04-04-2020 11:05 AM
Originally Posted by AUpilot1 (Post 3023391)
It started out as equipment and seat at age 64 then 63....62. However they ended up granting the early retirement to everyone who applied.
Correct, my cousin is A330A there and he just texted me this:

By two part bid status (seat/equip), first age 64 in seniority, then 63 in seniority, then 62. Total vacancies determined by company on each fleet.

Buck Rogers 04-04-2020 11:08 AM
Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3023374)
FWIW I'm almost positive AAs deal was by BES and age.

-First was by BES, they had to want to reduce manning in your category
-Second was age, all the age 64 folks in your category got a crack at it before any age 63 folks ect...
-Last was by senority only among people your age and in your BES.

AA guys please feel free to correct if I'm wrong
Well, from the company standpoint it certainly makes sense, and they would be paying for it. Most things re pilots are seniority based so, I can certainly see a kerfuffle if it’s BES. Just wondering if it would have to have ALPA concurrence or if the company can do an end run. Just laying some prep ground work for anybody that was not here in 96. As I remember that was seniority based to 600 pilots where-by they could add 5years to age and/or years of service to bring them up to a full DB. Got something tickling my noggin that it wasn’t an ALPA contract thing(could be wrong about that) but there is some there there.

53x11 04-04-2020 11:09 AM
And to add to my above post, you didn't have to be 62, just in you're 62nd year.

61-62, 62-63, 63-64, 64-65

For perspective, only 10 in their 65th year took the early out, compared to 186 in their 62nd year

Buck Rogers 04-04-2020 11:15 AM
Originally Posted by 53x11 (Post 3023399)
And to add to my above post, you didn't have to be 62, just in you're 62nd year.

61-62, 62-63, 63-64, 64-65

For perspective, only 10 in their 65th year took the early out, compared to 186 in their 62nd year
Why do you think that is? Do you think it’s that they thought no matter how big the turd is they will be full pay till the last and that is how to maximize income? Or is it a numbers thing, lots more guys 62 with lots of 64 guys already gone? Or could it be the A fund B fund thing and interest rates?

53x11 04-04-2020 11:16 AM
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3023402)
Why do you think that is? Do you think it’s that they thought no matter how big the turd is they will be full pay till the last and that is how to maximize income? Or is it a numbers thing, lots more guys 62 with lots of 64 guys already gone? Or could it be the A fund B fund thing and interest rates?
Excellent question Buck

Gone Flying 04-04-2020 11:20 AM
Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3023402)
Why do you think that is? Do you think it’s that they thought no matter how big the turd is they will be full pay till the last and that is how to maximize income? Or is it a numbers thing, lots more guys 62 with lots of 64 guys already gone? Or could it be the A fund B fund thing and interest rates?
I'm guessing plenty of 64 year olds, especially those on a WB, think they will get res. gaurentee to not have to fly again. lots more uncertainty for someone with 1-3 years left vs. 6 months


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