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Buck Rogers 04-04-2020 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3022975)
Pittsburgh did it to itself. Had the highest gate fees in the country and was letting Airtran have free gate fees to encourage competition to lower fares. When US Airways went bankrupt, they wanted to negotiate lower gate fees. Allegheny County refused and offered the exact sames rates. US Airways tried one more time and said if the rates weren't lowered, they would move the whole operation to Philly. Pittsburgh called their bluff, except it wasn't a bluff. Pittsburgh overplayed their hand thinking a new airline would open a hub instantly.

Ah....the old ,"got 'em right where we want 'em" ...until you don't. Seems like I've seen that movie....as a matter of fact, I'm watching it right now as I type. Hope I like the ending:)

DALMD88FO 04-04-2020 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3022955)
When the cuts came we were down below 8000 working pilots. Probably closer to 7000.

We didn't get down to that low of numbers until the guys took the money and ran which was after the mass exodus retirement. The cuts came first, not by much but first. I know my number was above 8,000 at the time and I had just returned from furlough.

gopher3 04-04-2020 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3022979)
Ah....the old ,"got 'em right where we want 'em" ...until you don't. Seems like I've seen that movie....as a matter of fact, I'm watching it right now as I type. Hope I like the ending:)

I’m all for early retirements. Even though you already got your Age 65 windfall.

Buck Rogers 04-04-2020 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by gopher3 (Post 3023070)
I’m all for early retirements. Even though you already got your Age 65 windfall.

Got anything other than hyperbole?
I will add...see that smiley face at the end of my post? Fact....3 months ago DALPA did have the company right where we wanted them. Fact 2
...most would agree that as of right now DALPA does not have to company where we want them. Fact 3 ...life is life. Fact 4....life goes on . Fact 5 sometimes life sucks.

I did not cause our predicament regarding leverage. I can not fix the leverage equation. I can find the humor in the vagaries of life.

MOTOJOE 04-04-2020 09:16 AM

Well everyone on this property has the age 65 windfall. We all now can fly till 65. Some here think only the senior guys can go to 65 then it changes for them. Lol

MOTOJOE 04-04-2020 09:24 AM

I’m also for a good early out package for guys 62 and up like AA. Then maybe less furloughs if that time comes and we all move up quicker when covid is subdued😷.

Denny Crane 04-04-2020 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by MOTOJOE (Post 3023266)
I’m also for a good early out package for guys 62 and up like AA. Then maybe less furloughs if that time comes and we all move up quicker when covid is subdued😷.

Any chance you’d go for 61.5 and up on your age limit? :D

Denny

53x11 04-04-2020 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 3023347)
Any chance you’d go for 61.5 and up on your age limit? :D

Denny

Actually at AA you didn't have to be 62, just in your 62nd year on planet earth, so there ya go!

Buck Rogers 04-04-2020 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 3023347)
Any chance you’d go for 61.5 and up on your age limit? :D

Denny

Can you imagine the posting/furball to come if the company offers an “early out” program outside of DALPA concurrence, that is targeted by BES, not seniority? Seen “sweetheart” deals re retirement in the past. Does anything in the contract prevent something like that? It might not respect seniority but methinks those at the bottom wouldn’t care if they are looking at furlough. That’s how it went down before....divide and conquer. Bottom 1/3 for it to mitigate furloughs, top 1/3 for it because they were hoping it would reach them and if it didn’t, they rapidly move up, then the middle 1/3 throwing the BS flag

Funk 04-04-2020 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 3023347)
Any chance you’d go for 61.5 and up on your age limit? :D

Denny

I’ll take you’re 61.5 and raise you a 60.


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