The Case For No Involuntary Furloughs
04-12-2020 | 07:17 AM
#181
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I wouldn’t think that 26 years of flying Props and Jets (24 as a Captain) under The Northwest/Delta organization would be considered getting “handed” a job considering I probably have 3 times as much experience and time than you do .Im sure you were handed a job . I would say a large majority of the bottom 5000 “mainline” pilots were “handed” the job with minimal experience and special interest stuff thrown in , especially the Propel Garbage . There are a handful of pilots in that bottom 5000 that payed their dues of course ..I’m sure you think you’re a “Legend in you’re own mind” as Clint Eastwood would say . Let me know if you need help knowing who Clint Eastwood is . But it’s a mute point as the entire Airline industry as we know it will be changed and a lot of people will get A kick in the crotch of Reality . Good luck to ya .
04-12-2020 | 07:42 AM
#182
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For me the question is at what degraded level of our PWA are we willing to work under to protect from furloughs? How many extra pilots given the level of operation is acceptable? For a 75% operation should we keep 25% of the pilots around causing a larger burden on the company? What about 50% etc.?
04-12-2020 | 07:54 AM
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For me the question is at what degraded level of our PWA are we willing to work under to protect from furloughs? How many extra pilots given the level of operation is acceptable? for a 75% operation should we keep 25% of the pilots around causing a larger burden on the company?
Seriously? Other than our PWA protections we can not protect our guys from furlough. We can agree to whatever is put in front of us and management will still furlough whatever they deem necessary.
This is how it works: The company says you give us X we will reduce furloughs by Y. Well the number of proposed furloughs just went up by [Y].
[Proposed furloughs - Y] = Z Where Z equals the number the company wanted to furlough all along.
The joys of math.
OBTW - Happy Easter!
Scoop
04-12-2020 | 08:12 AM
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Seriously? Other than our PWA protections we can not protect our guys from furlough. We can agree to whatever is put in front of us and management will still furlough whatever they deem necessary.
This is how it works: The company says you give us X we will reduce furloughs by Y. Well the number of proposed furloughs just went up by [Y].
[Proposed furloughs - Y] = Z Where Z equals the number the company wanted to furlough all along.
The joys of math.
OBTW - Happy Easter!
Scoop
This is how it works: The company says you give us X we will reduce furloughs by Y. Well the number of proposed furloughs just went up by [Y].
[Proposed furloughs - Y] = Z Where Z equals the number the company wanted to furlough all along.
The joys of math.
OBTW - Happy Easter!
Scoop
04-12-2020 | 08:47 AM
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Seriously? Other than our PWA protections we can not protect our guys from furlough. We can agree to whatever is put in front of us and management will still furlough whatever they deem necessary.
This is how it works: The company says you give us X we will reduce furloughs by Y. Well the number of proposed furloughs just went up by [Y].
[Proposed furloughs - Y] = Z Where Z equals the number the company wanted to furlough all along.
The joys of math.
OBTW - Happy Easter!
Scoop
This is how it works: The company says you give us X we will reduce furloughs by Y. Well the number of proposed furloughs just went up by [Y].
[Proposed furloughs - Y] = Z Where Z equals the number the company wanted to furlough all along.
The joys of math.
OBTW - Happy Easter!
Scoop
04-12-2020 | 09:43 AM
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‘And here is a very valid point that is being overlooked by the crowd that thinks lowering the ALV is the way we should go. Lowering the ALV has always been portrayed as a temporary fix. The company only wanted it for a couple of months.....that might have been extended to.......oh let’s say October 1.....when they can furlough/start furloughing as many pilots as they want. This has always been a short term idea. If any one seriously thinks a reduced ALV will save pilots from furlough......you need to rethink that idea.
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04-12-2020 | 09:50 AM
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If we shrink by 20% for 2 years, are you suggesting lowering the ALV for that timeframe?
I doubt the Company would agree to that since it destroys productivity.
Then again, furloughing destroys morale and the "Delta Difference" for the remainder of the careers of those pilots affected.
I doubt the Company would agree to that since it destroys productivity.
Then again, furloughing destroys morale and the "Delta Difference" for the remainder of the careers of those pilots affected.
04-12-2020 | 11:19 AM
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Check the above. If your income has been effected as a result of the virus you may be allowed to defer mortgage payments for 6 mo. to a year without any penalty.
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