5/18 Town Hall
05-23-2020, 05:37 AM
#201
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Originally Posted by beis77
Based on what we know so far, there will be an additional 900 spots available but not awarded after this AE, that the company can offer at will, 2-year seat locks and all.
Unfilled spots are only available if nobody bids for them in an AE. If the company decides not to fill them then they no longer exist. The only way to generate spots for a una pilot is to run a new AE.
05-23-2020, 05:42 AM
#202
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
I'm not so sure about the 2-year seat lock/category freeze. The category freeze only seems to apply to those awarded a vacancy by AE or VD or as a new hire based a reading of 22.G. The unassigned pilot seems to be sui generis and thus not subject to a category freeze.
I would think that they will have UNA pilots bid on an AE to get their spots, and furloughed pilots are covered elsewhere as entry level pilots.
That path may not be explicitly stated in the pwa but seems to be something that an arbitrator would be on board with. Surely would lead to a grievance.
05-23-2020, 05:50 AM
#203
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Originally Posted by bugman61
Unfilled spots are only available if nobody bids for them in an AE. If the company decides not to fill them then they no longer exist. The only way to generate spots for a una pilot is to run a new AE.
05-23-2020, 05:50 AM
#204
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Originally Posted by bugman61
I would think that they will have UNA pilots bid on an AE to get their spots, and furloughed pilots are covered elsewhere as entry level pilots.
That path may not be explicitly stated in the pwa but seems to be something that an arbitrator would be on board with. Surely would lead to a grievance.
That path may not be explicitly stated in the pwa but seems to be something that an arbitrator would be on board with. Surely would lead to a grievance.
) that the union will file a grievance shortly after the first furlough....Denny
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05-23-2020, 06:25 AM
#205
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Originally Posted by beis77
According to BS’s email, there will be 900 unfilled spots on this AE in order to manage training volume. Even though they won’t be awarded, it sounds like they do exist, they’re just not available to pilots right now. Perhaps on the next AE, whenever that may be.
Right. What I’m saying is that after they chose not to fill them, the spots go away. It’s like the never were offered. To create those 900 spots there would have to be a new AE with the spots offered to everyone.
22.E.10., the only way spots can be filled outside of the ae process is with entry level pilots assigned to vacancies that “no pilot bid on”
05-23-2020, 06:30 AM
#206
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I’d lay dollars to donuts (of course donuts are more expensive now) that the union will file a grievance shortly after the first furlough....
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) that the union will file a grievance shortly after the first furlough....Denny
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Absolutely. It’s going to be a mess.
05-23-2020, 06:31 AM
#207
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Originally Posted by bugman61
I would think that they will have UNA pilots bid on an AE to get their spots, and furloughed pilots are covered elsewhere as entry level pilots.
That path may not be explicitly stated in the pwa but seems to be something that an arbitrator would be on board with. Surely would lead to a grievance.
That path may not be explicitly stated in the pwa but seems to be something that an arbitrator would be on board with. Surely would lead to a grievance.
05-23-2020, 08:18 AM
#208
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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish
what would keep UNAs from only bidding MD thereby avoiding seat lock? Would also bring UNAs back in inverse seniority order for those that like their, albeit reduced, paid vacation.
Good question. It’s a system not set up for what we are doing now. Some people would take the seat lock to get the pay. Some would wait it out to avoid the seat lock.
05-23-2020, 10:06 AM
#209
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Originally Posted by bugman61
Good question. It’s a system not set up for what we are doing now. Some people would take the seat lock to get the pay. Some would wait it out to avoid the seat lock.
05-23-2020, 10:47 AM
#210
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Originally Posted by charleyvarrick
22.E.11:
“Prior to transferring unassigned pilots, the Company will proffer transfer opportunities to such pilots in seniority order. Assignments that remain unfilled after such proffers will be filled in inverse seniority order. “
Sounds like the Co. decides what to offer, à la a newhire drop and seems like it bypasses the AE process.
“Prior to transferring unassigned pilots, the Company will proffer transfer opportunities to such pilots in seniority order. Assignments that remain unfilled after such proffers will be filled in inverse seniority order. “
Sounds like the Co. decides what to offer, à la a newhire drop and seems like it bypasses the AE process.
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