Guess that means any offers weren't rejected out of hand?

I can't translate tea leaves very well.

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I’m 63.5. I am financially ready. Any plan similar to SWA or AA, color me gone.

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I rest easy at night. The MEC is giving instructions to the NC on the direction the pilot group wants. Telepathy is a powerful tool when used by professionals. I know the MEC knows exactly what I wanted in the aborted contract talks and now in early out packages. They know what I want. I am just not smart enough to receive their messages back telepathically.

So long as they don't think we can vote telepathically. NBD. With any deal will be MEMRAT.

Isn’t it self MEMRATing? If you like the deal, take it, if not, then don’t. Why would we waste time and money voting on it?

Because the rumor is the EO deal is tied to an ALV reduction for everyone.

That’s never happening.

Concessions are not an option.

No other pilot group has made concessions.

does that surprise Anyone?

cuts are coming and getting the top out early in the long run will be better. My hope is that whatever cuts are agreed to have IRON CLAD snap backs but after all it is ALPA ( “we did not foresee that union)

well if our EO is better than SWA and poised to get a lot of upper seniority pilots to leave. Thus you might not fall to another AC or get furloughed and in the long run you move up faster when this covid is in our past. if it is tied to ALV ill take a very good look? I wouldn’t be so quick to judge, you will reap some great benefits getting rid of the top now!

There absolutely is a zone within which ALV reductions can be an overal positive for the pilot group. At the same time, if not handled right, it could be a minefield of "we didn't think they'd do that!" however that is the case with every contractual line item.

I'm in the "trust but verify" camp WRT this, and by trust I really just mean verify. I think there is absolutely a place for ALV reductions in theory. At the same time, I'm very guarded against flawed or incomplete language. As far as "snapbacks" go, that is a great example. Strictly speaking, there will never need to be a ALV snapback provision because as soon as the company wants to ramp up, they will be chomping at the bit for the highest ALV as they do every contract cycle. That will be self correcting. The real counter balance will be found in other things. Long term, higher ALV is a concession to the company just like it was in previous contracts; we resisted it, the company demanded it to "unlock the gains". How quickly we forget that.

For those who don't think any ALV reduction under any circumstance is warranted and is always a concession on our part, then shouldn't we therefore be pushing for higher ALV's? No limits, fly to the FAR's? Of course not.

All that said, until and unless the company actually cares about running an airline instead of just a cost reducing ticket agency that turns away business, I'm skeptical there is anything that can be achieved along these lines. If all they want to do is go all thrust no vector into a panic collapse to prosperity mode, there may not be anything we can or should do.