Because voting on things that affect the PWA is the norm now, not the exception. That is a very good thing. If ALV is even mentioned in the LOA it will be a no as will all other concessions. This is a cost saver for the company and not a negotiation. I am actually not in favor of any side agreements during sect. 6 because it takes the focus off the entire PWA and delays a deal. That said I can see the argument for it but I'm still opposed. If the company just allows individuals to take what the non-cons have that also short circuits and de-legitimizes the union resulting in the remaining members detriment as a non negotiated solution removes the incentive to finish a comprehensive deal.

Some quick thoughts on this:

ALV Reduction Pros:
-Fewer or no furloughs.
-Cancellation of MOAD; will still require another bid for a smaller displacement.
-Saves company $$$ by reducing the 3800 MOAD displacement training events.
-Working less, not for less: More time at home.
-Fewer pilots having to do a new commute / learn a new AC.

ALV Reduction Cons:
-Lower paycheck (but may be somewhat offset by not having to downgrade / displace to lower paying equipment).
-Duration may be unknown.
-No tangible incentive to the company; what else would they want in exchange for this?

I’m sure I’m missing several important points. A lot of UNA guys on here sound like they’d prefer to be furloughed over accepting an ALV reduction. I’m not UNA so no dog in that fight, but that line of thinking is surprising to me.

If there is no alv reduction what motivation or financial incentive is there to take erly retirement at 50hrs?

They already have the option of lower ALV's just offer SIL's. The longer they hold the training projections the more it looks as if they are trying to use that to influence our thoughts about ALV reduction or any give. Stay strong, the only way I'm willing to give an ALV reduction is if we slide the entire TLV window with it.

We’re all getting our panty’s in a wad and nothing is out!

A ALV reduction provides several benefits to the company. They reduce training costs substantially and get flexibility to quickly ramp up flying to retain market share as things recover.

From the MEC to my council reps, concessions and gives are not an option.

If furlough is inevitable I’d prefer to spend the next 6 months at 72 hours of 717B pay rather than <72 hours of 717B pay. The math seems simple enough unless I’m missing something?

Now language outright prohibiting any involuntary furlough for 24 months AFTER September 30, 2020 might help me consider a lower ALV. If any threat of furlough remains though I’m 100% full pay until the last day.

Zero chance concessions pass MEMRAT.

There are $15 billion reasons not to make concessions.

Management would accept our concession of lowering the ALV and promise no furloughs. The next week they would furlough and say they are sorry but they had no choice.

They walked away from our SILs deal before the ink was dry.