Early Out,Retirement,Furlough Negotiation
06-13-2020, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MOTOJOE
then I guess what’s the hold up in presenting the EO
Or it could be tied to concessions, in which case it would be a month-long process. Followed by another month of EO bidding/sign-ups. If the intention is to cut training/minimize displacements and furloughs, they’re kind of doing it out of order.
06-13-2020, 04:46 PM
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I see a lot of posts about company bluffs, negotiation tactics, FUD, etc. I don't really understand where it is coming from. According to the latest correspondence I had with my union rep we are not currently negotiating anything other than an early out. I think the company's plan is exactly what they have been saying all along. Much smaller airline with a multi year recovery. They think they can make this bid work because there is no requirement to train everyone in a year, just convert them.
The company keeps saying they hope voluntary programs prevents the furloughs which I assume means early outs or personal leaves. No mention of concessions.
The company keeps saying they hope voluntary programs prevents the furloughs which I assume means early outs or personal leaves. No mention of concessions.
06-13-2020, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by hookshot123
I see a lot of posts about company bluffs, negotiation tactics, FUD, etc. I don't really understand where it is coming from. According to the latest correspondence I had with my union rep we are not currently negotiating anything other than an early out. I think the company's plan is exactly what they have been saying all along. Much smaller airline with a multi year recovery. They think they can make this bid work because there is no requirement to train everyone in a year, just convert them.
The company keeps saying they hope voluntary programs prevents the furloughs which I assume means early outs or personal leaves. No mention of concessions.
The company keeps saying they hope voluntary programs prevents the furloughs which I assume means early outs or personal leaves. No mention of concessions.
06-13-2020, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I have a feeling you’re correct. They will follow through with this displacement/furlough. I’m just curious why DALPA is suddenly interested in polling.
06-13-2020, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by hookshot123
I see a lot of posts about company bluffs, negotiation tactics, FUD, etc. I don't really understand where it is coming from. According to the latest correspondence I had with my union rep we are not currently negotiating anything other than an early out. I think the company's plan is exactly what they have been saying all along. Much smaller airline with a multi year recovery. They think they can make this bid work because there is no requirement to train everyone in a year, just convert them.
The company keeps saying they hope voluntary programs prevents the furloughs which I assume means early outs or personal leaves. No mention of concessions.
The company keeps saying they hope voluntary programs prevents the furloughs which I assume means early outs or personal leaves. No mention of concessions.
Ask him again.
C44 or C81?
06-13-2020, 05:57 PM
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Company proposed ERP received, and we said pound sand. Negotiators meet with MEC to get direction in light of peer group ERPs, and any updated vectors resulting from fingers on the pulse of the (in lieu of polling, vocal) membership. Negotiators return to the table to hammer out final ERP agreement and we see an update soon.
That's my guess.
That's my guess.
06-13-2020, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hookshot123
I see a lot of posts about company bluffs, negotiation tactics, FUD, etc. I don't really understand where it is coming from. According to the latest correspondence I had with my union rep we are not currently negotiating anything other than an early out. I think the company's plan is exactly what they have been saying all along. Much smaller airline with a multi year recovery. They think they can make this bid work because there is no requirement to train everyone in a year, just convert them.
The company keeps saying they hope voluntary programs prevents the furloughs which I assume means early outs or personal leaves. No mention of concessions.
The company keeps saying they hope voluntary programs prevents the furloughs which I assume means early outs or personal leaves. No mention of concessions.
06-13-2020, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
Well - just look at the math - some 6,300 displacements - 12 months to do it in... they have to average 525 a month just to get them all done by the end of the conversion window.
The date is just the month of training and the month of conversion, not the specific date. So Nov 20 is November 2020. So every month is going to have huge numbers of people just because that's what has to be done.
The date is just the month of training and the month of conversion, not the specific date. So Nov 20 is November 2020. So every month is going to have huge numbers of people just because that's what has to be done.
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