BobZ

Not us that go commando.

DALMD88FO

I've been hearing from guys based in ATL for a couple days now saying that the company wants a reduced ALV in exchange for an ERP that might actually get people to take it. I agree with people here saying that, right now, there is nothing out there so there is no reason to get excited. A buddy just texted something that he got off some Delta facebook pilot site, it said that if we took the ALV reduction that the MOAD would be reduced to only the 777/88 displacements. If that were the case I would believe the company intentionally made this bid so bad as to make us willing to take concessions. Also I don't like the idea of financing our own ERP through reduced ALV''s. I'm open to looking but my fear would be that we accept it and they don't get near the takers that we think they will and then we are stuck with the ALV reduction and not so much reduction in headcount.

Jaww

Thats a big no for me. They do it because it’s the right thing to do. We are family after all. Let them choke on this AE.

MOTOJOE

me thinking that if it’s tied to anything like ALV then the early out has to be epic. And if it’s epic you won’t have to worry about no one taking it it will be a rush for the door. Me included!

Viking busdvr

All the bolded items above are and would be unknowns if a vote is called upon for a LOA with lower ALVs in return for a good ERP offer. You think the company would agree to pull back from the MOAD or mitigate furloughs without knowing how many takers there will be? How could they know how many takers there will be until approved my memrat? What I see as the downside is the offer looks good, we approve it, and then the company claims that there just aren’t enough takers for them to hold up their end of the bargain... I guess we’ll see, but don’t ask me to trust the company to follow through on any promises...

Fish on

They would still have to reposition the A350 and still close CVG...
I have heard there is little support for the reduced ALV outside C44.
Sparky

deltabound

Gotta say, I was "all in" for a reduced ALV if it meant fewer furloughs.

BUT... now that the AE is out, I specifically bid the least paying equipment for some seniority expecting/planning 72hrs a month. Zero expectation for more via GS or WS, because either the flying isn't there or I'm not personally comfortable with GS with a single pilot on furlough (your opinion may certainly be different..I've heard em all).

I can't possibly be the only one who did that, either.

I'm still down with a lower ALV..but only if this AE is completely rerun. Which isn't going to happen. It's just chip, chip, chip away, ain't it?

Hank Kingsley

Pretty sure the Master plan was to inflict the pain. Offer the ERP with a hitch. Or we could all go over to Skyhub and with 14000 voices sing kumbaya.

crzepilot

My concern is, under the current environment, demand is only slowly returning. With a reduced ALV that we agree on, to help obtain a realistic ERP, this still could go down the tubes. When they say oops demand isn’t where we though it would be, we still need to furlough and guess what it’s more than originally planned. So now we are back to furloughing pilots and the guys who get to stick around are still working at a reduced rate and no furloughs were actually saved.

I agree with the Family concept, Delta needs to come up with a world class ERP. They want world class employees they need a world class ERP.

GogglesPisano

As I’ve said before, I’d be ok with an ALV reduction if it saved me from a displacement (either way it’s a pay cut — and who wants to go through a full school against their will?)

But both? NFW!