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Old 05-31-2020 | 01:11 PM
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Bob S. said that staffing #s on the AE factor in a buffer that assumes 500-700 pilots will take the early out offer. We need that many to take it just to break even. If less take it then we will end up with even more on the street.
I don’t think that’s right. It takes into account mandatory retirements from now until next May. This bid is based on no one taking an early out, so anyone who does that is scheduled to retire after May 2021 would makes things better for potential furloughs.
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Old 05-31-2020 | 01:14 PM
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I don’t think that’s right. It takes into account mandatory retirements from now until next May. This bid is based on no one taking an early out, so anyone who does that is scheduled to retire after May 2021 would makes things better for potential furloughs.

I agree with you unless the early outs is a new wrinkle added in.
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Old 05-31-2020 | 01:21 PM
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I agree with you unless the early outs is a new wrinkle added in.
If so, adjustments would require another bid, so you still agree with me
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Old 05-31-2020 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MSP7ERB
Bob S. said that staffing #s on the AE factor in a buffer that assumes 500-700 pilots will take the early out offer. We need that many to take it just to break even. If less take it then we will end up with even more on the street.
Where did he mention early outs? His AE memo built a buffer for expected retirements (mandatory + 10%.) Do you have access to another memo somewhere?
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Old 05-31-2020 | 02:04 PM
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Where did he mention early outs? His AE memo built a buffer for expected retirements (mandatory + 10%.) Do you have access to another memo somewhere?

I think he’s conflating early mandatory retirements with the results of any ERP they offer. It’s easy to see them as separate but upon further internal debate, I think they’re one in the same if that makes sense.
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Old 05-31-2020 | 02:07 PM
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I think he’s conflating early mandatory retirements with the results of any ERP they offer. It’s easy to see them as separate but upon further internal debate, I think they’re one in the same if that makes sense.
Mathematically how are they the same? One is a known (approximately 660.) The other will be the result of an ERP -- which hasn't been announced yet.
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Old 05-31-2020 | 02:10 PM
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Mathematically how are they the same? One is a known (approximately 660.) The other will be the result of an ERP -- which hasn't been announced yet.

If they make the ERP specifically targeted towards those 660 plus another buffer, I can see his terminology as being dual purposed.

IDK, makes sense in my head!
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Old 05-31-2020 | 02:17 PM
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If they make the ERP specifically targeted towards those 660 plus another buffer, I can see his terminology as being dual purposed.

IDK, makes sense in my head!
I don't think they'll be targeting people who will be retiring in the next 12 months. If they do, what's the point? Who knows?
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Old 05-31-2020 | 04:13 PM
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I don’t think that’s right. It takes into account mandatory retirements from now until next May. This bid is based on no one taking an early out, so anyone who does that is scheduled to retire after May 2021 would makes things better for potential furloughs.
Wrong. Stop spewing inaccurate data
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Old 05-31-2020 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
I don't think they'll be targeting people who will be retiring in the next 12 months. If they do, what's the point? Who knows?
Exactly this. Any ERP should be targeted towards those retiring after May2021. Pilots retiring before then really don’t have an incentive to go early unless an offer would be MORE than they would make by staying. I don’t see that happening.

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