Why so venomous? If I’m wrong then please correct it. Not trying to “spew” anything - I’m happy to have corrected information if mine isn’t.

 

How is he wrong? Don’t just drive-by.

 

On skynet he responded saying that unless huge participation in ERP this bid had enough “flexibility” to not require a rebid.

It was also mentioned that this bid also sets them for their current plan for 2022.

This is a brutal bid, so many good people in UNA. I always root for Delta to make good plans, I’m hoping this is one where they misjudged the rapidness of the recovery and bring UNA back. As someone who made it by less than 50 I really hope they don’t scale back any more than this plan.

I’m curious how training handles the load. To me SIMs aren’t the bottleneck, it’ll be OE, particularly on the junior fleets. We have to train whole cadre of LCA, then start training the new pilots.

 

If that's the case any EOP will not save furloughs

Hopefully then zero guys take the early out.

 

Training won't handle the load. we've cut our sim instructors by 25%. They'll choke on the thru put. Toss in another china flu scare 2.0 and its game over.

This is a FUD turd thrown out at us the likes of which have never been seen before in airline history.

Are you a Dec 2016 hire? My brother-in-law was in that new hire class. He didn't make it. Sux the cut line hit 2/3 the way into Dec 2016 indoc group. Now being furloughed will come down to the last 4 of your SSN. Sad. We suck as a group.

 

Yup, I’m a dec2016 and didn’t make the cut.

That’s fine by me. It looked intentional where they drew the line. Of course, drawing the line above us, will means that a bunch of PWA protections will trigger in case of a furlough.

Im starting to think that this “fleet plan” was driven by the amount of pilots they needed to get rid of, not the planes that will be needed to fly realistically.

 

Sums it up perfectly, I think you hit the nail on the head with this one.

 

According to BS on Skynet, there are 3800 training events. Many are short courses and he says they will be able to complete. Ive found BoB S to always tell it like he sees it. It’s a big load and we will all see how it turns out. Bob is not a policy guy. He’s just operating the list as tasked by higher authority. I was able to spend some time w/ him over a few beers at a base visit and think he’s a good guy and well outside of policy decisions or agendas.

This bid is interesting and I’ve thought a lot about what it means. I do think as of right now it’s based off the plan. A conservative plan that will insulate Delta from further pain, that has ability to be flexible before it’s fully implemented. For example, if they see industry recovery they can keep pilots in the UNA category longer before furlough. They can reverse displacements. They could even keep the 777s for longer or not even get rid of them.

The UNA category is interesting. We will see the closer we get to October to see how they plan on moving those in UNA into furlough or not... it could just be a holding place for quite awhile.

This bid is designed to be draconian. It’s a big game of chicken, with the intent to prepare Delta for a bleak future, but also to scare us pilots into accepting a early out package and concessions. We need to stay strong and not allow fear to influence poor decisions. I heard one of the ATL LEC reps is now calling for ALV relief! Then I come to find out he’s on the bubble for possible furlough. This rep should be immediately fired for self serving actions. Influenced by fear... fear is deadly and insidious. Don’t fall for it.

While some may be furloughed, I’m sure it won’t be for too long. I do speak from the heart, I got furloughed for almost 6 years after 9/11. It’s sucks. But if you go out, you’ll be much happier to come back to a strong contract and not the decade of crap we all had to deal with and still not fully recovered from. In the end, ALV reductions or pay cuts will not change the furlough number by 1 person. Don’t fall for it.

Close your eyes and stomp on the gas... this is not the time to swerve. Unity will be our strength without fear. This is not the time to let executives gut our career again.

 

He never states this sets them up for the 2022 fleet plan. What he states is that they can cover the 2022 fleet plan even if they do all the training and conversions this bid calls for. They will need to train and move pilots up for 2022 but they made sure that training could be accomplished. In some categories they are carrying extra pilots for 2022 where they might have a shortage of training ability.
The 2022 plan is a significant increase from the 2021 plan. Had they cut exactly to the 2021 plan they would not have been able to staff the 2022 plan.

 

So sailing, what you are saying is that with this MOAD we are staffed for 2022 summer flying?

If that is the case then all 2300+ UNA - including me - are out of the game at least until after summer 2022 if not further? Is that how I read what you wrote? I might be a bit confused here.