Originally Posted by sailingfun

He never states this sets them up for the 2022 fleet plan. What he states is that they can cover the 2022 fleet plan even if they do all the training and conversions this bid calls for. They will need to train and move pilots up for 2022 but they made sure that training could be accomplished. In some categories they are carrying extra pilots for 2022 where they might have a shortage of training ability.
The 2022 plan is a significant increase from the 2021 plan. Had they cut exactly to the 2021 plan they would not have been able to staff the 2022 plan.

Originally Posted by Tailhookah

According to BS on Skynet, there are 3800 training events. Many are short courses and he says they will be able to complete. Ive found BoB S to always tell it like he sees it. It’s a big load and we will all see how it turns out. Bob is not a policy guy. He’s just operating the list as tasked by higher authority. I was able to spend some time w/ him over a few beers at a base visit and think he’s a good guy and well outside of policy decisions or agendas.

This bid is interesting and I’ve thought a lot about what it means. I do think as of right now it’s based off the plan. A conservative plan that will insulate Delta from further pain, that has ability to be flexible before it’s fully implemented. For example, if they see industry recovery they can keep pilots in the UNA category longer before furlough. They can reverse displacements. They could even keep the 777s for longer or not even get rid of them.

The UNA category is interesting. We will see the closer we get to October to see how they plan on moving those in UNA into furlough or not... it could just be a holding place for quite awhile.

This bid is designed to be draconian. It’s a big game of chicken, with the intent to prepare Delta for a bleak future, but also to scare us pilots into accepting a early out package and concessions. We need to stay strong and not allow fear to influence poor decisions. I heard one of the ATL LEC reps is now calling for ALV relief! Then I come to find out he’s on the bubble for possible furlough. This rep should be immediately fired for self serving actions. Influenced by fear... fear is deadly and insidious. Don’t fall for it.

While some may be furloughed, I’m sure it won’t be for too long. I do speak from the heart, I got furloughed for almost 6 years after 9/11. It’s sucks. But if you go out, you’ll be much happier to come back to a strong contract and not the decade of crap we all had to deal with and still not fully recovered from. In the end, ALV reductions or pay cuts will not change the furlough number by 1 person. Don’t fall for it.

Close your eyes and stomp on the gas... this is not the time to swerve. Unity will be our strength without fear. This is not the time to let executives gut our career again.

Originally Posted by cactipilot

Sorry to hear it's gotten so messy so quickly for everyone at DL!!!! Hopefully they can reverse some of it as the economy improves and recovers. Did they just take it to the stop where they don't have to trigger something in the contract?

Originally Posted by Tailhookah

I heard one of the ATL LEC reps is now calling for ALV relief! Then I come to find out he’s on the bubble for possible furlough. This rep should be immediately fired for self serving actions. Influenced by fear... fear is deadly and insidious. Don’t fall for it.

Originally Posted by TurbineDriver

Does anybody know typically what percentage the Jr line holder is in a domestic NB? Like the 320? I can’t look at old bid awards and can’t remember how jr the last line typically goes. Anybody?