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09-10-2020, 10:46 AM

#781

Gone Flying

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

There is an update on deltanet. 505 remaining as UNA for now. Smaller FO-focused AE in October planned.

is that 505/600 or 505/2558?

09-10-2020, 10:53 AM

#782

m3113n1a1

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

is that 505/600 or 505/2558? Asking as a 1941 who was not reinstated

I think total. I guess contractually they have to include future furloughees in the bid.

275 of the ~600 that aren't getting furloughed (yet) remain as UNA, but they are planning another AE in October.

09-10-2020, 10:56 AM

#783

D B Cooper

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Originally Posted by Gone Flying

is that 505/600 or 505/2558? Asking as a 1941 who was not reinstated

My understanding of BS's post, 505 Una is of the whole pilot group. Seems this AE was run without the thought of furlough in mind. The amount they furlough October 1 will be based on present negotiation and or cares2. If you're not furloughed this AE stands. If you're in the 505, and not furloughed another AE coming out in October will place you somewhere.

09-10-2020, 10:58 AM

#784

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1

Thanks
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09-10-2020, 10:59 AM

#785

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Originally Posted by FL370esq

Out if curiosity, did you have a category to reinstate to or were you MD'd from a closing category?

Had a category to reinstate to. Classmate one senior to me was reinstated as well as a few junior to me.

09-10-2020, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco21016

Had a category to reinstate to. Classmate one senior to me was reinstated as well as a few junior to me.

Did you check the box?

09-10-2020, 11:03 AM

#787

bronco21016

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Originally Posted by D B Cooper

After having a few moments to digest things it does indeed seem this is how things are being done. As with almost everything related to AEs this year, a little more up front transparency would probably have gone a long way. We're talking about entire families being turned upside down so it definitely raises the blood pressure a bit to get a furlough notice and then have an AE come out showing reinstatement 3 weeks prior to the furlough.

09-10-2020, 11:13 AM

#788

jmcharles

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Originally Posted by D B Cooper

It specifically states in the AE posting that we (the 1941) “will be excluded from this bid”. Third paragraph.

09-10-2020, 11:15 AM

#789

PilotJ3

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This is the biggest Smoke and mirrors bomb since march

09-10-2020, 11:16 AM

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FL370esq

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Originally Posted by CX500T

Midpack UNA 11,5XX on the "new" post VEOP senority list.

Plenty of junior to me reinstated to 220, 717 etc. Like almost 1000 junior.

Cynical bastard me says they will try to pull some tomfoolery and put me on the street with 220Bs working.

Of course, I'm getting paid for the lowest paying category, 717B with guys junior to me making more. I wasn't given a choice. Was factor of my new hire fleet, conversion date off the JAN AE that CANX'd, and and my new hire fleet being very senior with a handful of new hires.

Furloughs are in seniority order without regard to category or status. A pilot junior to you in the 220 category would be furloughed before you, the more senior pilot, even if you are in a UNA status. Plain and simple...no tomfoolery to be had.

The rather disparate results of this AE really highlighted an abrogation of seniority which has put UNAs from a closed category in limbo. I would think Contract Administration is going to be all over this one in short order.