United AIP to avoid furloughs
09-09-2020, 11:47 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by Jaww
Talked to a buddy on the bottom at United, he is all for it. I was like that is a screw job by the top. Are we a union or not? Do we have different classes of pilots. Guess so. That would be a hard no for me based solely on the fact I think the cut should be equal.
Edit: I’m a middle 1/3
Edit: I’m a middle 1/3
So it's more equal that the bottom 1/3 is out of a job with nothing. I can see why your buddy is all for it. I would love to have seen the reaction on his face when you told him "Hell no, that's a screw job". Were you talking face to face? What did he say?
edit Do you realize that they have some guys that have been furloughed twice already and of those some may get furloughed a third time?
09-09-2020, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
So it's more equal that the bottom 1/3 is out of a job with nothing. I can see why your buddy is all for it. I would love to have seen the reaction on his face when you told him "Hell no, that's a screw job". Were you talking face to face? What did he say?
edit Do you realize that they have some guys that have been furloughed twice already and of those some may get furloughed a third time?
edit Do you realize that they have some guys that have been furloughed twice already and of those some may get furloughed a third time?
09-09-2020, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaww
Talked to a buddy on the bottom at United, he is all for it. I was like that is a screw job by the top. Are we a union or not? Do we have different classes of pilots. Guess so. That would be a hard no for me based solely on the fact I think the cut should be equal.
Edit: I’m a middle 1/3
Edit: I’m a middle 1/3
09-09-2020, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
I’m in the bottom here at DL and I’d love something like this. Our DHD language sucks and something like this would be great for everyone. WRT the uneven cuts, the cuts in hours align roughy with who is the most affected there. 39 hours of pay still allows me to keep my health insurance and travel bennies. Those that need it can get a side hustle and others can use the extra time off for whatever they want.
09-09-2020, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaww
We all pay the same percentage of dues, O would think we would all take the same percentage of a pay cut. I care what happened in the past but that’s then and this is now.
I hear ya about the fairness, however that's not where the rubber meets the road. Their MEC needs to come up with something that can pass memrat. Socializing the distress outside of the PWA is a tough sell. Especially if some have been furloughed in the past, spent time on a B scale, spent 10 years in a bankruptcy contract, and took 15 years to make capt. My kid about to be furloughed would be all over this in a heartbeat.
09-09-2020, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
I hear ya about the fairness, however that's not where the rubber meets the road. Their MEC needs to come up with something that can pass memrat. Socializing the distress outside of the PWA is a tough sell. Especially if some have been furloughed in the past, spent time on a B scale, spent 10 years in a bankruptcy contract, and took 15 years to make capt. My kid about to be furloughed would be all over this in a heartbeat.
09-09-2020, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Please no. It would take us forever to claw back from any cuts like this. Let's not panic and trash our contract.
09-09-2020, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaww
I would be all over it too, however, I would be upset the higher paying pilots barely would take a cut. That’s not how a union works. But, it is all politics and there is no getting around how much harder the older guys have had it.
S"all good though.....these are my thoughts that I shared with my pilot kids. But I also taught them early on that...." Life is Life and Life is not Fair. Know the rules and if they don't change to suit you, that's on you not them." ( Sounds harsh, I know)
Cheers
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