bender

I'm happy they approved the LOA, but also disappointed we're wasting time voting for an entirely voluntary program that we've wanted since the start of summer. I also want to know the reasoning of the 7 reps who decided furloughing was a better option.

OOfff

that’s his/her point.

Flownit

I’ve taken some time considering this and re-reading comms on it.

I don’t like that it seems to lag our industry in what solutions and value it offers. I think that’s my biggest hangup about it.

but if the deal stinks than there will be relatively few takers. Given how it’s voluntary and impacts to the rest of the group appear minimal, I’m inclined to begrudgingly vote yes on the deal.

I also wonder if it’s a way for the company to save face with other groups. We give them this, and the company announces how we came through so big that they now don’t have to furlough— they decide to eat the remaining costs of carrying excess so they can remain competitive with United and others as recovery occurs.

I don’t think this is any sort of gateway to concessions and it represents a win-win for individuals and the management team.

I know the management team is ultimately likely to spring the involuntary options deal next. I have no interest in subsidizing jobs that managers don’t need, to include putting myself at jeopardy of furlough as a result.

WhiskeyDelta

That deal is already on the table and being negotiated. I’m more curious if it’ll come out before the end of this voting window as it’s entirely feasible that an unpopular involuntary cut deal would negatively impact the voluntary measures TA.

Denny Crane

‘And I would think that is why the 220 saved figure was agreed to thru the end of the year. Gives the company time to figure out the amount saved. I too think there should be a metric designed to determine how many jobs are affected.

Denny

GeneralLee

The deal on the table is bad, not UAL bad, but it’s an ALV cut with nothing in return. It’s totally against polling data results. The company is very good at sticking to their goals.

Gone Flying

how do u know this? What info have you seen?

WhiskeyDelta

I’m curious about this, too, as this isn’t the first time he/she has made statements implying they’ve seen the deal.

boog123

There are reps that will tell you what’s going on of you ask believe it or not....

GeneralLee

In its current form it’s an ALV cut and a very low hour (less than UAL) hourly guarantee at 717B rates for the furlough group. Absolutely no sweeteners.

Again the pilot group is going to have to step up and overwhelm the reps (that keep trying to justify these plans) that this kinda plan is DOA! We also need to start recalling reps that do not follow the mandate of the pilot group.

The company is persistent and will not stop at voluntary measures. Time to wake up.