LOA 20-04 MEC approves counter
10-29-2020, 05:33 PM
#181
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Originally Posted by MJP27
UAL deal was a disaster for their pilot group. They lowered the bar.....again. Thank god they didn’t drag down everyone else in the industry.
10-29-2020, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
I see very little cost savings to the company. Multiple big wins for the pilots(especially the new GS trigger). Seems like the company was bluffing all this time. With all the 220 deliveries seemed impossible they could furlough 1900 and staff the airline. Early guess but I think only around 700-1000 end up on UNA 30 hr pay
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10-29-2020, 05:38 PM
#185
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Originally Posted by weekendflyer
I guess my source was correct
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Sorry couldn't resist again
Originally Posted by notEnuf
My read is that the company overplayed their hand. I think we are well positioned financially (break even surprise late Q4 or January) with rising bookings and a need for pilots to remain available going into the summer but can’t telegraph that to the industry or the government. I’m almost willing to bet Valentine’s Day 2022 will be a good day.
10-29-2020, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
A junior pilot getting paid 30 hours is not the same as a senior pilot getting paid 30 hours. If you want to make that argument, then it should be, "I want to get paid $3,000 a month to sit at home."
10-29-2020, 05:53 PM
#187
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The most junior pilots here, have they been stuck in that special training pay status since about March ? -And-
Will they continue to be on the training pay monthly guarantee, but at about half that rate going forward (due to the 30 hour stipulation)?
If so that sucks! I guess its better than just being thrown to the street ASAP but damn, I'm sorry if that is the case.
I'll say again, if this passes and depending on where the UNA cut line is- captain beverages are on me, doubly so for the formerly furloughed. If I'm UNA'd officially, well beverages when I'm back.
Will they continue to be on the training pay monthly guarantee, but at about half that rate going forward (due to the 30 hour stipulation)?
If so that sucks! I guess its better than just being thrown to the street ASAP but damn, I'm sorry if that is the case.
I'll say again, if this passes and depending on where the UNA cut line is- captain beverages are on me, doubly so for the formerly furloughed. If I'm UNA'd officially, well beverages when I'm back.
10-29-2020, 05:55 PM
#188
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Originally Posted by EDVPLT
I have to say great job to the MEC. This truly is a win win.
IMHO, this could also only come about with a pilot group unified against the bad faith behavior we've seen from management. Polling and communications with your reps gave the MEC and NC legitimacy to truly only come back for ratification with something worth ratifying. I think we all held decent ground, and barring weak contractual language, this actually appears to be win-win.
10-29-2020, 05:57 PM
#189
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Originally Posted by Jaww
I like this deal. Looks positive. I wanna see the fine print but it’s a yes for me so far. That said, I’m impressed and it will probably sway me to a yes for 20-03.
And while the unofficial details of 20-04 look good, let’s wait for the fine print (as you’ve mentioned), to make sure it isn’t laced with mushy language of “at company’s discretion”/“may offer”/etc,etc...30-hour SILs for the UNAs are WAY better than being furloughed. If the details look good I’m leaning “yes” on 20-04 as well.
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