LOA 20-04 MEC approves counter
10-29-2020, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by p3flteng
It’s sounds pretty good so far.
But can someone explains the 5 hour tlv reduction to me, and how it will effect us?
But can someone explains the 5 hour tlv reduction to me, and how it will effect us?
I suspect that’s to keep from letting some fleets run fly too much while others not so much.
10-29-2020, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by konabear
What are the chances we will see the final language of 20-04 before the voting window for 20-03 closes? I’m not willing to change my vote based on SM rumors.
10-29-2020, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Its not a 5 hour reduction. It’s a slight widening of the TLV window from 75-80 to 72-80, but all TLVs must stay within 5 hours.
I suspect that’s to keep from letting some fleets run fly too much while others not so much.
I suspect that’s to keep from letting some fleets run fly too much while others not so much.
10-29-2020, 07:40 PM
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First off congrats this deal looks great. I’m skeptical though as it seems to good.....
how many pilots can the company make UNA?
UNA pilots get 30 hrs 717 FO pay. So if this gets voted in could DL put out a bid to force 4000 pilots UNA? Now there is a cost savings. As of right now I don’t see that as being prohibited.
how many pilots can the company make UNA?
UNA pilots get 30 hrs 717 FO pay. So if this gets voted in could DL put out a bid to force 4000 pilots UNA? Now there is a cost savings. As of right now I don’t see that as being prohibited.
10-29-2020, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
First off congrats this deal looks great. I’m skeptical though as it seems to good.....
how many pilots can the company make UNA?
UNA pilots get 30 hrs 717 FO pay. So if this gets voted in could DL put out a bid to force 4000 pilots UNA? Now there is a cost savings. As of right now I don’t see that as being prohibited.
how many pilots can the company make UNA?
UNA pilots get 30 hrs 717 FO pay. So if this gets voted in could DL put out a bid to force 4000 pilots UNA? Now there is a cost savings. As of right now I don’t see that as being prohibited.
10-29-2020, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by p3flteng
ok...you are giving me more credit than due..I just read the targeted line value definition in the pwa, and it, and you...are at FL350. Maybe it’s cause I had an A period MV today, but probably not....can someone put this in English? How does TLV work, and what are the effects of widening it by 3 hours then?
The thing to focus on here is that the min TLV is going from 75 to 72. With the old window, if the company wanted to ride through the winter at 72 hour ALVs, they had to make up for it with high ALVs in the summer. Now that min TLV is 72 and min ALV is 72, they can run us at 72 hours all year long. Bottom line, this gives them the flexibility to not flex up if the demand isn't there. They can run us at 72 hours from now until the LOA is phased out, or incorporated into the next PWA. On the pilot side of the equation, we avoid an ALV cut. So we will always be guaranteed at least 72 a month. We also get the flexibility we've been asking for forever of more time off in the summers.
10-29-2020, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by p3flteng
ok...you are giving me more credit than due..I just read the targeted line value definition in the pwa, and it, and you...are at FL350. Maybe it’s cause I had an A period MV today, but probably not....can someone put this in English? How does TLV work, and what are the effects of widening it by 3 hours then?
TLV (75-80) is the rolling 12 month range any given category’s ALV must average out to. If you have 6 months of 72 hr ALVs in a specific category, the remaining 6 months ALVs must average to at least 78 hrs.
this appears to temporarily allow ALV to be 72 in all categories (slight give on our part) but we get a lower TLV window long term (73-78 hrs), which I see as a small win for our pilot group, in addition to all the other good things that come from this agreement
10-29-2020, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by p3flteng
ok...you are giving me more credit than due..I just read the targeted line value definition in the pwa, and it, and you...are at FL350. Maybe it’s cause I had an A period MV today, but probably not....can someone put this in English? How does TLV work, and what are the effects of widening it by 3 hours then?
10-29-2020, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
First off congrats this deal looks great. I’m skeptical though as it seems to good.....
how many pilots can the company make UNA?
UNA pilots get 30 hrs 717 FO pay. So if this gets voted in could DL put out a bid to force 4000 pilots UNA? Now there is a cost savings. As of right now I don’t see that as being prohibited.
how many pilots can the company make UNA?
UNA pilots get 30 hrs 717 FO pay. So if this gets voted in could DL put out a bid to force 4000 pilots UNA? Now there is a cost savings. As of right now I don’t see that as being prohibited.
- Monthly pay of 30 hours, DC contributions and active medical for all UNA pilots who received furlough notices, even if they have not completed initial training at Delta. These pilots will not have a flying obligation to the Company nor will they have restrictions on outside employment.
10-29-2020, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Gives the company more flexibility to match flying with demand.
the Widget pilot contract Facebook page gave a great in-depth discussion of TLV and ALV, found some good info over there...check it out.
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