LOA 20-04 MEC approves counter
10-29-2020, 07:56 PM
#221
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Originally Posted by Scooter432
220 pilots would be restored to full pay by voting for 20-03 vice 30hours in 20-04. That alone is worth the flip of vote.
10-29-2020, 07:57 PM
#222
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Originally Posted by fishforfun
My only concerns with this is the exact language and it keeps everyone on a leash. I know some have CJOs outside of delta with intent of being furloughed and out for a min of 2 years. The potential furloughees can’t accept outside employment with this without known recall timeframes. The bottom 2000 will be down to 30 hours and that is well below part time money so allowing them to seek other employment is important.
its obvious the company does not want to furlough. They want to keep all bodies ready to go when they need them. But we are being asked to finance that flexibility.
Other than that, I’m pretty surprised by this. I’d like to see a poll of the bottom 2000 and they can determine my vote.
its obvious the company does not want to furlough. They want to keep all bodies ready to go when they need them. But we are being asked to finance that flexibility.
Other than that, I’m pretty surprised by this. I’d like to see a poll of the bottom 2000 and they can determine my vote.
I have talked to about 20 pilots in the bottom 2000 and everyone of them is super happy with this AIP including myself. Not your gold standard Gallup poll, but I’d say pretty good info. But obviously the devils in the details of the actual language.
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10-29-2020, 07:57 PM
#223
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
First off congrats this deal looks great. I’m skeptical though as it seems to good.....
how many pilots can the company make UNA?
UNA pilots get 30 hrs 717 FO pay. So if this gets voted in could DL put out a bid to force 4000 pilots UNA? Now there is a cost savings. As of right now I don’t see that as being prohibited.
how many pilots can the company make UNA?
UNA pilots get 30 hrs 717 FO pay. So if this gets voted in could DL put out a bid to force 4000 pilots UNA? Now there is a cost savings. As of right now I don’t see that as being prohibited.
10-29-2020, 08:12 PM
#224
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Nice job MEC and NC. Looks pretty good.
I’d like to see the finer points on PS commuting. (Can we go down to 1 flight instead of 2?)
The permanent lowered TLV will drive staffing on the backside of this recovery. When things get good again, we’re going to need a lot more pilots.
Kinda curious if crew resources will need to run another AE Nov 29.
I’d like to see the finer points on PS commuting. (Can we go down to 1 flight instead of 2?)
The permanent lowered TLV will drive staffing on the backside of this recovery. When things get good again, we’re going to need a lot more pilots.
Kinda curious if crew resources will need to run another AE Nov 29.
10-29-2020, 08:14 PM
#225
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Originally Posted by Broncos
You missed the part in red...
- Monthly pay of 30 hours, DC contributions and active medical for all UNA pilots who received furlough notices, even if they have not completed initial training at Delta. These pilots will not have a flying obligation to the Company nor will they have restrictions on outside employment.
it doesn’t say the UNA of 30hrs is limited to or only for those that got furlough notices.
sorry just something I noticed.....some of your pilots are talking about squishy language? That may be it. I can see that backfiring big time.
10-29-2020, 08:18 PM
#226
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
no I read it....and it reads like a bullet point. The UNA pilots who got a furlough notice get 30 hrs.....great thanks for letting me know where those pilots stand.
it doesn’t say the UNA of 30hrs is limited to or only for those that got furlough notices.
sorry just something I noticed.....some of your pilots are talking about squishy language? That may be it. I can see that backfiring big time.
it doesn’t say the UNA of 30hrs is limited to or only for those that got furlough notices.
sorry just something I noticed.....some of your pilots are talking about squishy language? That may be it. I can see that backfiring big time.
10-29-2020, 08:18 PM
#227
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Originally Posted by NuGuy
Its not a 5 hour reduction. It’s a slight widening of the TLV window from 75-80 to 72-80, but all TLVs must stay within 5 hours.
I suspect that’s to keep from letting some fleets run fly too much while others not so much.
I suspect that’s to keep from letting some fleets run fly too much while others not so much.
10-29-2020, 08:18 PM
#228
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
no I read it....and it reads like a bullet point. The UNA pilots who got a furlough notice get 30 hrs.....great thanks for letting me know where those pilots stand.
it doesn’t say the UNA of 30hrs is limited to or only for those that got furlough notices.
sorry just something I noticed.....some of your pilots are talking about squishy language? That may be it. I can see that backfiring big time.
it doesn’t say the UNA of 30hrs is limited to or only for those that got furlough notices.
sorry just something I noticed.....some of your pilots are talking about squishy language? That may be it. I can see that backfiring big time.
This topic is going around on some FB posts and those who allege to be in the know say they’ve been told ALPA is firming up this language. Sounds like they’ve got their eye on it and smell what you’re cookin’.
All that said, forcing guys onto UNA (have never been UNA) would also come with it the massive training churn as they rearrange the seats I would think.
10-29-2020, 08:20 PM
#229
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Originally Posted by LEROY JENKINS
Since TLV is based on the 12 bid rolling average is my expectation that the next few months the ALV could be considerably lower (sub 65 hrs) and then adjusted up in the Summer to get to just above the minimum? Seems like the 1941 will keep the NB manning fat and the ALV at the lower end of the window despite their higher usage. Maybe some NB captain slots open up near term to stay in the TLV window.
ALV floor is 72 for NBs and 71 for WBs
10-29-2020, 08:21 PM
#230
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Originally Posted by LEROY JENKINS
Since TLV is based on the 12 bid rolling average is my expectation that the next few months the ALV could be considerably lower (sub 65 hrs) and then adjusted up in the Summer to get to just above the minimum? Seems like the 1941 will keep the NB manning fat and the ALV at the lower end of the window despite their higher usage. Maybe some NB captain slots open up near term to stay in the TLV window.
“Average line value” (ALV) means a number of hours established by the Company that is the projected average of all regular line values, for a position, for a bid period and is:
a. between 72 and 84 hours (inclusive) for a narrowbody position and a B-767/B-757
position.
b. between 71 and 85 hours (inclusive) for a widebody position other than a B-767/B-
757 position.
“Line construction window” (LCW) means a range of hours that is seven and one half hours above and below the ALV for each position in each bid period. The LCW will not extend below 65 hours without mutual agreement between the Director – Crew Resources and the MEC Scheduling Committee Chairman.
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