30 Million Americans Vaccinated In 25 Days
03-17-2021, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 123494
I’m with Phins 100% on this. We just don’t have the data on long-term effects.
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03-17-2021, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Phins2right
FYI I know many, many docs and nurses that are foregoing the vax until such time they get to see the outcomes. Most are saying 2+ years. When health services providers are not mandating a vax, docs/nurses are not taking it en masse - people should think twice.
Crazy times we live in. Take ca
"Yale NEJM Catalyst study, notes that by early January, about 90 percent of medical residents had chosen to get the vaccine right away."
Some estimates indicated physician acceptance of the vaccine to be above 95%. But I guess someone needs to be the "one" in the ad that says "9 in 10 doctors agree"
03-17-2021, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by WickedSmaht
Not for nothing and I have no dog in this fight but it's actually 1,913 deaths according to the CDC.
from the CDC: Over 109 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 15, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,913 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths
03-17-2021, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
not for nothing, but that’s NOT 1913 deaths caused by the vaccines
from the CDC: Over 109 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 15, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,913 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths
from the CDC: Over 109 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 15, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,913 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths
I have actually seen two media reports of deaths among the recently vaccinated which did not appear to be related to known existing conditions, so were either caused by the vaccine or were idiopathic. Stuff happens sometimes, with or without a vaccine.
So while I'm convinced the risk associated with the three vaccines deployed in the US is very low (exceptionally low for moderna/pfizer), I'm not convinced that the risk is absolutely zero. But it's apparently safer than flying, to say nothing of driving to work.
03-17-2021, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Also out of that initial 109M, a large percentage were very old or sick. Do the math...
I have actually seen two media reports of deaths among the recently vaccinated which did not appear to be related to known existing conditions, so were either caused by the vaccine or were idiopathic. Stuff happens sometimes, with or without a vaccine.
So while I'm convinced the risk associated with the three vaccines deployed in the US is very low (exceptionally low for moderna/pfizer), I'm not convinced that the risk is absolutely zero. But it's apparently safer than flying, to say nothing of driving to work.
I have actually seen two media reports of deaths among the recently vaccinated which did not appear to be related to known existing conditions, so were either caused by the vaccine or were idiopathic. Stuff happens sometimes, with or without a vaccine.
So while I'm convinced the risk associated with the three vaccines deployed in the US is very low (exceptionally low for moderna/pfizer), I'm not convinced that the risk is absolutely zero. But it's apparently safer than flying, to say nothing of driving to work.
My dad was in a similar situation while around the clock CNAs were caring for him at home. At Christmas, a decade ago, an experienced CNA took me aside. She said my dad was in the last 6 month of his life. He made it to March. Passed away peacefully, but she was correct.
03-18-2021, 03:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 123494
Couple of scenarios-
1.) At the very least, people may start to develop skin problems. Could be a simple rash, but lipomas and brown spots are more likely. I think discoloration of the skin is also possible. Just ask CX500 how he likes his puss-filled lipomas from the vaccines the Navy gave him.
2.) In a more sinister mindset, perhaps the vaccine is part of a larger conspiracy/experiment to see how people’s immune systems react to a foreign entity. This could be widespread testing on the population for all we know. Don’t forget that Pfizer knew they had this vaccine ready to go, but decided to hold off on the announcement to hurt Trump. Only after the election did they magically come out with the announcement.
I think the second scenario is not as likely as the first
1.) At the very least, people may start to develop skin problems. Could be a simple rash, but lipomas and brown spots are more likely. I think discoloration of the skin is also possible. Just ask CX500 how he likes his puss-filled lipomas from the vaccines the Navy gave him.
2.) In a more sinister mindset, perhaps the vaccine is part of a larger conspiracy/experiment to see how people’s immune systems react to a foreign entity. This could be widespread testing on the population for all we know. Don’t forget that Pfizer knew they had this vaccine ready to go, but decided to hold off on the announcement to hurt Trump. Only after the election did they magically come out with the announcement.
I think the second scenario is not as likely as the first
03-18-2021, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
Pfizer waited until after the election because they are a corporation, they cant appear to be screwing with an election for one side because eventually the other side wins. They stayed out of it and thats the best choice for the business.
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03-18-2021, 05:48 AM
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One guy is allegedly married to a MD and spouts nonstop nonsense from dubious sources like "people I know". Virus origin to Fauci credibility while he gets his MD for University of Google, Qanon campus. But for a government bailout and a vaccine, the company would be in bankruptcy.
03-18-2021, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
One guy is allegedly married to a MD and spouts nonstop nonsense from dubious sources like "people I know". Virus origin to Fauci credibility while he gets his MD for University of Google, Qanon campus. But for a government bailout and a vaccine, the company would be in bankruptcy.
But for a government bailout and a vaccine ALL the airlines would be in bankruptcy.
FIFY.
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