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01-29-2021, 08:06 PM

#321

EDVPLT

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Originally Posted by Bergman

It might be argued that we were 10-20% under-staffed during the summer of 2019. In that instance, staffing would look very similar...14,500 total for summer 2022. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I didn’t even think about the fact that we also have the lower TLV as well. Already understaffed in 2019 plus lower TLV, idk how we won’t be hiring by Q1 2022 at the latest.

01-30-2021, 02:04 AM

#322

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Originally Posted by 172skychicken

Using the 14,500 pilots we had for summer of 19 as a baseline, that would put 80% at 11,600 and and 90% at just over 13,000. We should be just north of 12,000 pilots factoring in the remaining VEOP departures and age 65 retirements by the time summer of 22 rolls around. And that doesn't take into account that we were very, very understaffed in the summer of 19. Hiring definitely seems to be within the realm of possibility by the end of the year, assuming no major hiccups.

if these numbers are true we will need to start hiring after this summer. We usually have well over a thousand inactive pilots.

01-30-2021, 06:16 AM

#323

marcal

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Originally Posted by AlphaBeta

if these numbers are true we will need to start hiring after this summer. We usually have well over a thousand inactive pilots.

We have 1700 total UNA. They all will need full initial courses presumably. Thats about 1.5 years if they continuously call back. So mid-2022 if they start with these 400 and then dont stop bringing them back.

01-30-2021, 06:34 AM

#324

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Originally Posted by marcal

A good number might actually need 2 initials, if many of them get stuck in NYC on their initial comeback bid then with no seat lock they bid out ASAP on the next AE...

01-30-2021, 06:42 AM

#325

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Sounds like a stack of valuable bargaining chips to me.

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01-30-2021, 07:40 AM

#326

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Originally Posted by tennisguru

A good number might actually need 2 initials, if many of them get stuck in NYC on their initial comeback bid then with no seat lock they bid out ASAP on the next AE...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snapdragon

Sounds like a stack of valuable bargaining chips to me.

How do we cash in the chips without throwing pilots under the bus with NYC seat locks?

01-30-2021, 07:49 AM

#327

theUpsideDown

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Originally Posted by Gunfighter

How do we cash in the chips without throwing pilots under the bus with NYC seat locks?

Are there still crash pads in ny? I was kinda curious what the fallout was like with covid

01-30-2021, 08:06 AM

#328

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Originally Posted by Gunfighter

How do we cash in the chips without throwing pilots under the bus with NYC seat locks?

POS space commuting (non-middle seat), hotels, trip construction language for better commutability...to name a few.

01-30-2021, 08:27 AM

#329

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Originally Posted by Gunfighter

How do we cash in the chips without throwing pilots under the bus with NYC seat locks?

LOA or section 6 negotiation to release pilots from multiple training events all this MOAD/reinstatement/rebid business has created. Wouldn't have to affect NYC seat locks at all. Just frees up training slots and gets people where they want to be quicker with less pain. That's a big productivity gain for the company that could grab some quality high value items for the pilot group. What those items are is up to the masses.

The quicker things rebound, the more valuable it becomes

01-30-2021, 09:48 AM

#330

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Originally Posted by tennisguru

A good number might actually need 2 initials, if many of them get stuck in NYC on their initial comeback bid then with no seat lock they bid out ASAP on the next AE...

Offer more options than 220. Putting more folks into 737/320 at least allows them to leave NYC for a more desirable base without a training event. Of course it doesn’t stop people from swapping jets, but I’m not sure how many will sign up for back to back aircraft qualifications rather than just go from say NYC737 to DTW737 if desired.