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HTBH 04-09-2021 05:51 AM

Any one know what the last WB fleet changes will be in the next couple years? I know that our current plan isn't good for more than about 24 hours from when it was put to paper....but I thought we had a bunch of 330-900's and 350's on the way over the next couple years.

What are the thoughts on future WB positions in coming AE's. Or if you don't pull off a WB on this bid will it be a long time before they have openings again?

bsh932 04-09-2021 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by HTBH (Post 3219337)
Any one know what the last WB fleet changes will be in the next couple years? I know that our current plan isn't good for more than about 24 hours from when it was put to paper....but I thought we had a bunch of 330-900's and 350's on the way over the next couple years.

What are the thoughts on future WB positions in coming AE's. Or if you don't pull off a WB on this bid will it be a long time before they have openings again?

There is a lot of growth on the 330 fleet over the next few years. Here is the most recent delivery schedule...2021-3, 2022-8, 2023-8, 2024-7, 2025-3. That growth coupled with around 400-500 retirements a year should lead to plenty of widebody positions going forward.

fishforfun 04-09-2021 06:10 AM


Originally Posted by bsh932 (Post 3219341)
There is a lot of growth on the 330 fleet over the next few years. Here is the most recent delivery schedule...2021-3, 2022-8, 2023-8, 2024-7, 2025-3. That growth coupled with around 400-500 retirements a year should lead to plenty of widebody positions going forward.

Any plans to retire some of the older 330s?

boog123 04-09-2021 06:13 AM


Originally Posted by Redbird611 (Post 3219108)
Thanks for the data point. I can justify some pay reduction to try the widebody QOL, especially if reserve in base is possible. The math tells me that commuting for a widebody spot probably isn't worth it.

Having commutes to reserve in both WB B and NB A, here is my take. I only did reserve in months I had vacation or the very occasional month I knew they would be short. Once a year Inwould do the thunder, but it never worked out quite like I hoped...

The short call thing is what takes the wind out of the sails. Usually didn’t get used, a hotel Bill and two days at home gone for commuting up and back. Plan at least 3-4....in a vacation month, maybe 2.

fishforfun 04-09-2021 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 3219348)
Having commutes to reserve in both WB B and NB A, here is my take. I only did reserve in months I had vacation or the very occasional month I knew they would be short. Once a year Inwould do the thunder, but it never worked out quite like I hoped...

The short call thing is what takes the wind out of the sails. Usually didn’t get used, a hotel Bill and two days at home gone for commuting up and back. Plan at least 3-4....in a vacation month, maybe 2.

I’m not exactly following your comparison. Are you talking about commuting to WB B in the above description? So in those reserve months with SCs how many days were you actually used?

PilotBases 04-09-2021 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by HTBH (Post 3219337)
Any one know what the last WB fleet changes will be in the next couple years? I know that our current plan isn't good for more than about 24 hours from when it was put to paper....but I thought we had a bunch of 330-900's and 350's on the way over the next couple years.

What are the thoughts on future WB positions in coming AE's. Or if you don't pull off a WB on this bid will it be a long time before they have openings again?

Looking at the lift we’ve lost (767/777) I find it hard to believe we won’t see some additional WB order in the next year or so. Even with 339s replacing 767 and 359 replacing 777, that has still a loss from 2019.

RunFast 04-09-2021 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3219352)
I’m not exactly following your comparison. Are you talking about commuting to WB B in the above description? So in those reserve months with SCs how many days were you actually used?

Commute to SEA330B. Depends on days available. Those with 5 or more usually get assigned SC (2-4 per month) with junior getting more. But that’s been over the last year. Prior to COVID, I never bid reserve. 2 x 6 day trips = 70-76 hours per month. Can be difficult to WS because a 3 HND is worth over 19. Lots of swapping instead.

boog123 04-09-2021 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by fishforfun (Post 3219352)
I’m not exactly following your comparison. Are you talking about commuting to WB B in the above description? So in those reserve months with SCs how many days were you actually used?

Commuting to reserve on both. Rarely used when ON SC. I would say before this year, I would get 1/2 the number of SC ‘s than max....BUT this year, I have been used on reserve or placed on SC almost 100% of max SC’s. Obviously short staffed on NB....One time when only good for 2 hours (10-12 before a golden day). Yes, I understand why they do it.

boog123 04-09-2021 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by PilotBases (Post 3219371)
Looking at the lift we’ve lost (767/777) I find it hard to believe we won’t see some additional WB order in the next year or so. Even with 339s replacing 767 and 359 replacing 777, that has still a loss from 2019.

Any question why scope is in focus? Watch the feet.

fishforfun 04-09-2021 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 3219397)
Commuting to reserve on both. Rarely used when ON SC. I would say before this year, I would get 1/2 the number of SC ‘s than max....BUT this year, I have been used on reserve or placed on SC almost 100% of max SC’s. Obviously short staffed on NB....One time when only good for 2 hours (10-12 before a golden day). Yes, I understand why they do it.

So you’re saying commuting to WB B reserve is very different from NB A?


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