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Old 04-09-2021 | 07:15 AM
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Longevity pay makes that moot.
we moo around here folks!
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Old 04-09-2021 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
Longevity pay makes that moot.
Unless, as you previously advocated for, As and Bs still have a different scale. It wouldn’t moo completely unless pay was based solely on longevity. You’re only mooing the WB vs NB part of the equation.
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Old 04-09-2021 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
CA and FO, yes. The seat still matters, just not the airplane. Let DAL buy whatever they wan, just pay us for our talent/experience. Once that was completely absorbed in the system, it makes mergers go smoother as well.
Hey, we agree on this!
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Old 04-09-2021 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
Unless, as you previously advocated for, As and Bs still have a different scale. It wouldn’t moo completely unless pay was based solely on longevity. You’re only mooing the WB vs NB part of the equation.
No... I am mooting the A220/717/737/A320/A330/767757/A350 etc etc etc differences. Let Delta buy whatever airliners they want. It will cost them the same hourly rate to have me fly an A220 or an A350. Now all I have to do is bid QOL.
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Old 04-09-2021 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
No... I am mooting the A220/717/737/A320/A330/767757/A350 etc etc etc differences. Let Delta buy whatever airliners they want. It will cost them the same hourly rate to have me fly an A220 or an A350. Now all I have to do is bid QOL.
Can you imagine the churn that would create once implemented?!
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Old 04-09-2021 | 11:07 AM
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Can you imagine the churn that would create once implemented?!
We have had a great opportunity during the past few years to implement it, but that window has closed. They could run monthly bids, keep the training pipeline churning and get 'er done. But they don't want to change the old ways. I love the discussion and the idea, but I really am beyond caring at this point.

It's much better to have bigger paying more and then when we get fewer 'bigger' watch the show how we are all pizzed off about it, right? ANd then you have to decide which is more important... money or QOL. Stupid really.
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Old 04-09-2021 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
We have had a great opportunity during the past few years to implement it, but that window has closed. They could run monthly bids, keep the training pipeline churning and get 'er done. But they don't want to change the old ways. I love the discussion and the idea, but I really am beyond caring at this point.

It's much better to have bigger paying more and then when we get fewer 'bigger' watch the show how we are all pizzed off about it, right? ANd then you have to decide which is more important... money or QOL. Stupid really.
Couldn't agree more. What % of the pilot group is ever at the highest pay rate at any given time...maybe 5%? Not sure why some still cling to that bigger pays more.
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Old 04-09-2021 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RunFast
Can you imagine the churn that would create once implemented?!
Probably not as much a MOAD then VEOP then rebid. 😁
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Old 04-09-2021 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
No... I am mooting the A220/717/737/A320/A330/767757/A350 etc etc etc differences. Let Delta buy whatever airliners they want. It will cost them the same hourly rate to have me fly an A220 or an A350. Now all I have to do is bid QOL.
I understand that. The post you quoted talked about the raise moving to the left seat for the pay and you said you could moo it with longevity pay. You’re still talking two pay-scales though, so that wouldn’t moo all of that poster’s issues.
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Old 04-09-2021 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
I understand that. The post you quoted talked about the raise moving to the left seat for the pay and you said you could moo it with longevity pay. You’re still talking two pay-scales though, so that wouldn’t moo all of that poster’s issues.
How do you figure I am talking two pay scales? I guess if you consider Capt and FO pay different, but they are two different jobs. Sorry, but the left seat has more responsibility and should be paid accordingly.

Cue the argument that the 747 made more money for the company therefore.....
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