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06-01-2021 | 07:36 AM
#391
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That would be great! Full staffing would greatly impact the QOL of a larger portion of the pilot group than GS's do. GS would still be at thing because there will always be a new to fill last minute trips...they would just be fewer, which isn't a terrible thing.
Because the company wants you to work more at straight pay.
06-01-2021 | 07:41 AM
#392
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Ya, it's not that simple. GS aren't bad in and of themselves, it's what comes along with GSs going out like they do now. Namely, lack of staffing and the ability to drop trips/manipulate your schedule and/or the lovely reroute to the cush trip your seniority allowed you to bid. I'd much rather have blue days every day of the year than have lots of GSs. GS are meant to be the occasional thing that happens to fill last minute schedule changes/sick call, not something the company just relies on to keep the operation going. So sure, you can say don't fly GS if you don't want, but it's missing the bigger issue.
To add, GS should be the exception. Not the means to execute the daily schedule. They should be the shock absorber for when demand surges perhaps due to recovery from IROP or something like that. Same for IAs.
Blue days for all fleets.
06-01-2021 | 07:42 AM
#393
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Nope...< 30% in category.
I was attempting to provide a solution to the problem Buck proposed...a middle ground if you will.
Delta awards you trips over XX hours (insert your favorite number here), it pays double...like overtime in the 40 hour work week world.
You elect to flog yourself and pickup to the FAA limits from OT or swap board, then you get straight pay...you did it to yourself.
Folks will still drop trips and pick up others (at straight pay) to get a certain weekend off, kids birthday party etc....those QOL events.
Then when DL can't fill the open trips because of the poor manning, they will send out greenies, and IMO, they should pay 200% with no trigger because we are helping solve their problem. GS rules won't change...senior guys still get one...locals will still be able to pick up the short notice 1 day turns, etc.
I was attempting to provide a solution to the problem Buck proposed...a middle ground if you will.
Delta awards you trips over XX hours (insert your favorite number here), it pays double...like overtime in the 40 hour work week world.
You elect to flog yourself and pickup to the FAA limits from OT or swap board, then you get straight pay...you did it to yourself.
Folks will still drop trips and pick up others (at straight pay) to get a certain weekend off, kids birthday party etc....those QOL events.
Then when DL can't fill the open trips because of the poor manning, they will send out greenies, and IMO, they should pay 200% with no trigger because we are helping solve their problem. GS rules won't change...senior guys still get one...locals will still be able to pick up the short notice 1 day turns, etc.
06-01-2021 | 07:45 AM
#394
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You obviously haven’t been a NB B for a very long time. No dropping trips and then flying premium. No dropping trips at all except for APD and IVD. Thank god for those.
There should be no trigger. None. Zero. You want me to fly on a day off, FU, pay me. If you want or need it that bad, pay up. Simple as that. If you want to drop your schedule and roll the dice you’ll get GSs in their place, good on you.
There should be no trigger. None. Zero. You want me to fly on a day off, FU, pay me. If you want or need it that bad, pay up. Simple as that. If you want to drop your schedule and roll the dice you’ll get GSs in their place, good on you.
Couldn't agree more with you here.
06-01-2021 | 07:46 AM
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Having a trigger has nothing to do with dropping trips. If anything, not having a trigger would make it worse as the Uber senior pilots drop their prime weekday trips via the swap board or first PCS run.
Also, If you can’t drop trips due to coverage then you are most likely already at the trigger.
Also, If you can’t drop trips due to coverage then you are most likely already at the trigger.
06-01-2021 | 08:06 AM
#396
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Completely wrong. I have never had a issue regardless of manning dropping trips when senior. You bid good trips and place them in open time as Q trips and on the swap board. They go away fast. They get picked up by pilots with vacation credit, pilots bought off trips ect, pilots wanting more pay ect... Good trips don’t hang around. Guys find ways to pick them up.
06-01-2021 | 08:08 AM
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Completely wrong. I have never had a issue regardless of manning dropping trips when senior. You bid good trips and place them in open time as Q trips and on the swap board. They go away fast. They get picked up by pilots with vacation credit, pilots bought off trips ect, pilots wanting more pay ect... Good trips don’t hang around. Guys find ways to pick them up.
06-01-2021 | 08:30 AM
#398
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So 11,000 pilots, all wh$$res, flying as much as they can? Yea, no downside there....unless you want progression of course
If you are number 1 on the seniority list....works just fine, but productivity gives when you are the bottom guy are cumulative and catastrophic.
If you are number 1 on the seniority list....works just fine, but productivity gives when you are the bottom guy are cumulative and catastrophic.
06-01-2021 | 09:43 AM
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When I was on the ER I used it all the time to pickup trips to destinations I could never hold via PBS. Some guys would dump their whole schedule on there and it would be gone in hours. Obviously only works for senior pilots that can get good trips.
06-01-2021 | 09:57 AM
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I'm on a NB and routinely get things taken off my schedule that was a Q or swap board trip. And if you play your cards right, you can drop multiple trips with a critical coverage pickup.
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