Easter Meltdown
06-02-2021, 05:58 AM
#421
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Uneducated guess, but I think because it's a 'swap' PCS looks at it differently than if you were trying to do a straight drop of one trip. Maybe Cbrezzy can elaborate.
06-02-2021, 06:13 AM
#422
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
Uneducated guess, but I think because it's a 'swap' PCS looks at it differently than if you were trying to do a straight drop of one trip. Maybe Cbrezzy can elaborate.
You can't swap later than 7am PCS run for the next day so sitting in base gets you nothing. If you are swapping into, say Friday on the 73N on a 3 day trip. Current reserve is -29, -40, -38. You can literally drop any 3 or 4 day trip later in the month on that fleet. You could probably even pick up a 4 day and drop 6 on the right days.
06-02-2021, 06:59 AM
#423
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Originally Posted by Iceberg
Multiple posters giving you their experience doesn’t count for anything? Coverage doesn’t deny swaps or Q drops. Prove me wrong.
if staffing didn’t prevent the drop, it would already be off your schedule and not showing a “Q” in open time.
06-02-2021, 07:26 AM
#424
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
The entire reason it’s a Q drop is because the staffing level is negative. So without the staffing levels changing or someone picking it up, the poor staffing does in fact prevent the drop from going through.
if staffing didn’t prevent the drop, it would already be off your schedule and not showing a “Q” in open time.
if staffing didn’t prevent the drop, it would already be off your schedule and not showing a “Q” in open time.
Breezy your tactic is limited in its use. If you want to bank on it 100% happening, well then like I said, good luck to you. I'm sure you ninja it all the time.
My experience with this tactic is it rarely works and the juice is not worth the squeeze. Again, if you enjoy daily logins to the the iCrew to sniper the trips, good on you. Most of us don't.
Fact remains is for most of us out here when we are not blue in coverage your ability to drop trips is severely limited. I don't want to swap for another; most of us that do this want them gone. Your tactic doesn't work for this.
06-02-2021, 07:41 AM
#425
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Originally Posted by Drum
Thanks for explaining that. I don't have to repeat it now.
Breezy your tactic is limited in its use. If you want to bank on it 100% happening, well then like I said, good luck to you. I'm sure you ninja it all the time.
My experience with this tactic is it rarely works and the juice is not worth the squeeze. Again, if you enjoy daily logins to the the iCrew to sniper the trips, good on you. Most of us don't.
Fact remains is for most of us out here when we are not blue in coverage your ability to drop trips is severely limited. I don't want to swap for another; most of us that do this want them gone. Your tactic doesn't work for this.
Breezy your tactic is limited in its use. If you want to bank on it 100% happening, well then like I said, good luck to you. I'm sure you ninja it all the time.
My experience with this tactic is it rarely works and the juice is not worth the squeeze. Again, if you enjoy daily logins to the the iCrew to sniper the trips, good on you. Most of us don't.
Fact remains is for most of us out here when we are not blue in coverage your ability to drop trips is severely limited. I don't want to swap for another; most of us that do this want them gone. Your tactic doesn't work for this.
06-02-2021, 07:46 AM
#426
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Originally Posted by Drum
Thanks for explaining that. I don't have to repeat it now.
Breezy your tactic is limited in its use. If you want to bank on it 100% happening, well then like I said, good luck to you. I'm sure you ninja it all the time.
My experience with this tactic is it rarely works and the juice is not worth the squeeze. Again, if you enjoy daily logins to the the iCrew to sniper the trips, good on you. Most of us don't.
Fact remains is for most of us out here when we are not blue in coverage your ability to drop trips is severely limited. I don't want to swap for another; most of us that do this want them gone. Your tactic doesn't work for this.
Breezy your tactic is limited in its use. If you want to bank on it 100% happening, well then like I said, good luck to you. I'm sure you ninja it all the time.
My experience with this tactic is it rarely works and the juice is not worth the squeeze. Again, if you enjoy daily logins to the the iCrew to sniper the trips, good on you. Most of us don't.
Fact remains is for most of us out here when we are not blue in coverage your ability to drop trips is severely limited. I don't want to swap for another; most of us that do this want them gone. Your tactic doesn't work for this.
06-02-2021, 07:50 AM
#427
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Originally Posted by Drum
When? Who? and what after I asked the question? Breezy answered it.
Man you are one angry dude.
Lighten up, life is short.
Man you are one angry dude.
Lighten up, life is short.
Originally Posted by Drum
You can't drop trips, no matter what seniority you hold, when you don't have the coverage. Period. About the only time you can have success in our multiple undermanned fleets is on the 20th. That's about the only time you see blue. After that, no bueno.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
Completely wrong. I have never had a issue regardless of manning dropping trips when senior. You bid good trips and place them in open time as Q trips and on the swap board. They go away fast. They get picked up by pilots with vacation credit, pilots bought off trips ect, pilots wanting more pay ect... Good trips don’t hang around. Guys find ways to pick them up.
Originally Posted by Rooster435
He’s not wrong. Some fleets have it more than others but every fleet has it to some extent. Look at trip coverage for your own category. I counted about a dozen Swap board pickups after schedules were released last month. Seems to be a really big thing in Atl.
When I was on the ER I used it all the time to pickup trips to destinations I could never hold via PBS. Some guys would dump their whole schedule on there and it would be gone in hours. Obviously only works for senior pilots that can get good trips.
When I was on the ER I used it all the time to pickup trips to destinations I could never hold via PBS. Some guys would dump their whole schedule on there and it would be gone in hours. Obviously only works for senior pilots that can get good trips.
Originally Posted by CBreezy
No. He's not.
I'm on a NB and routinely get things taken off my schedule that was a Q or swap board trip. And if you play your cards right, you can drop multiple trips with a critical coverage pickup.
I'm on a NB and routinely get things taken off my schedule that was a Q or swap board trip. And if you play your cards right, you can drop multiple trips with a critical coverage pickup.
06-02-2021, 07:52 AM
#428
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Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
The entire reason it’s a Q drop is because the staffing level is negative. So without the staffing levels changing or someone picking it up, the poor staffing does in fact prevent the drop from going through.
if staffing didn’t prevent the drop, it would already be off your schedule and not showing a “Q” in open time.
if staffing didn’t prevent the drop, it would already be off your schedule and not showing a “Q” in open time.
I should have used clearer language. The Q trip could be grabbed by another pilot if it doesn’t end up dropping on its own. Coverage doesn’t affect the other pilot grabbing it.
06-02-2021, 10:14 AM
#429
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Keep an eye on close-in reserve coverage. If a day (s) gets really negative and the rest of your trips are only fairly negative, you can drop multiple trips with that single swap.
I've moved entire weeks of capped coverage reserve days by swapping into a day that is -15 when the rest of the days were -2.
I've moved entire weeks of capped coverage reserve days by swapping into a day that is -15 when the rest of the days were -2.
06-02-2021, 10:20 AM
#430
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Correct. Drum is incorrect.
You can't swap later than 7am PCS run for the next day so sitting in base gets you nothing. If you are swapping into, say Friday on the 73N on a 3 day trip. Current reserve is -29, -40, -38. You can literally drop any 3 or 4 day trip later in the month on that fleet. You could probably even pick up a 4 day and drop 6 on the right days.
You can't swap later than 7am PCS run for the next day so sitting in base gets you nothing. If you are swapping into, say Friday on the 73N on a 3 day trip. Current reserve is -29, -40, -38. You can literally drop any 3 or 4 day trip later in the month on that fleet. You could probably even pick up a 4 day and drop 6 on the right days.
As Drum said, not all of us want to be haunting iCrew constantly working the system, BUT if you really need a trip dropped later in the month and don't have/want to use an ADP it's a good tool to have on hand.
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