Easter Meltdown
06-10-2021 | 11:56 AM
#521
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The odds of getting rerouted are directly proportional to your proximity to ATL, kind of like its the black hole of reroutes, once you are under its gravitational influence you are basically doomed. 
I have been mostly based in LAX on NB aircraft the last 21 years and rarely get rerouted - probably average less than once a year. I think every reroute except one was flying into ATL.
I agree that we need to look at this closely for section 6, I imagine if your a NB Pilot based in ATL it can be very frustrating.
Scoop
I have been mostly based in LAX on NB aircraft the last 21 years and rarely get rerouted - probably average less than once a year. I think every reroute except one was flying into ATL.I agree that we need to look at this closely for section 6, I imagine if your a NB Pilot based in ATL it can be very frustrating.
Scoop
06-10-2021 | 11:57 AM
#522
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From: 3+ hour sit in the ATL
06-10-2021 | 12:03 PM
#523
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Guess that whole word "contract" has different meanings for different people.
06-10-2021 | 12:08 PM
#524
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You have signed in for your rotation.
You are sitting in the seat for the first leg of the rotation. Checklists done, just chatting. 20 minutes from push and you get re-routed. Like get up leave the jet you are on to go to another gate and operate a different trip...That should have pushed 10 minutes ago.
That is a late tag. Totally legal from the PWA.
You are sitting in the seat for the first leg of the rotation. Checklists done, just chatting. 20 minutes from push and you get re-routed. Like get up leave the jet you are on to go to another gate and operate a different trip...That should have pushed 10 minutes ago.
That is a late tag. Totally legal from the PWA.
06-10-2021 | 12:10 PM
#525
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From: 3+ hour sit in the ATL
Here are the only reasons you can be rerouted prior to your first flight. Your explanation does not match any of the reasons.
A regular pilot may not be rerouted: prior to the airborne departure of the first flight segment of his rotation. Exception: A regular pilot may be rerouted prior to the airborne departure of the first flight segment of his rotation provided: 1) his rotation begins with a roundtrip within a single FDP that has been delayed, 2) the reroute is for another roundtrip within a single FDP that is scheduled to depart no earlier than his original roundtrip, and 3) he is returned to his original rotation following the roundtrip into which he is rerouted.
What you stated: You are sitting in the seat for the first leg of the rotation. Checklists done, just chatting. 20 minutes from push and you get re-routed. Like get up leave the jet you are on to go to another gate and operate a different trip...That should have pushed 10 minutes ago.
Your rotation was not delayed and you were rerouted into a rotation that reported prior to yours. Illegal on both accounts.
A regular pilot may not be rerouted: prior to the airborne departure of the first flight segment of his rotation. Exception: A regular pilot may be rerouted prior to the airborne departure of the first flight segment of his rotation provided: 1) his rotation begins with a roundtrip within a single FDP that has been delayed, 2) the reroute is for another roundtrip within a single FDP that is scheduled to depart no earlier than his original roundtrip, and 3) he is returned to his original rotation following the roundtrip into which he is rerouted.
What you stated: You are sitting in the seat for the first leg of the rotation. Checklists done, just chatting. 20 minutes from push and you get re-routed. Like get up leave the jet you are on to go to another gate and operate a different trip...That should have pushed 10 minutes ago.
Your rotation was not delayed and you were rerouted into a rotation that reported prior to yours. Illegal on both accounts.
You assumed that they were different report times because I said the other flight was late. It was late as they had been trying to find an FO. We both had an 0820 departure time. We were running early. The PHX flight finally went out albeit about 3.5 hours late.
Dig thru my post history, this happened in May. I posted it here in one of the threads and NuGuy said to make sure to contact the union. I did and they looked into it no violation, just the pay part. The re-route was legit.
So how many 9E people are we going to get from the flow before it is shutdown? Also, what if someone in that flow had previously interviewed with us and failed the interview? I guess that doesn't matter in the flow? Lots of questions about this.
I forget, are we still in contract negotiations???
06-10-2021 | 12:12 PM
#526
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From: DAL 330
With our latest iteration of "bases don't own flying" my ATL (and NYC) exposure has substantially increased. If you have any more than 2 hours on the ground you are in the airport ready reserve que. If you make it to the gate, the last checklist item is cell phones off and you don't know where I went. The chronic understaffing in ATL and NYC affects us all.
Speaking of 2 + hour sits in ATL does anyone know if the gym in the A concourse is open yet? I have yet to rerouted mid-workout - must be good Karma. Either hat or they couldn't find me there.
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06-10-2021 | 12:19 PM
#527
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If, as you stated, it was legal per the contract, then it sounds like you have more an issue with the contract than the company.
06-10-2021 | 12:24 PM
#528
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Believe I read it is now open but there is a signup form online. You ha e to have an appointment, basically. Sorry I don’t have the deets; on my way home.
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06-10-2021 | 12:56 PM
#529
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Exception 2 applied to my case. So nothing illegal about it.
You assumed that they were different report times because I said the other flight was late. It was late as they had been trying to find an FO. We both had an 0820 departure time. We were running early. The PHX flight finally went out albeit about 3.5 hours late.
Dig thru my post history, this happened in May. I posted it here in one of the threads and NuGuy said to make sure to contact the union. I did and they looked into it no violation, just the pay part. The re-route was legit.
So how many 9E people are we going to get from the flow before it is shutdown? Also, what if someone in that flow had previously interviewed with us and failed the interview? I guess that doesn't matter in the flow? Lots of questions about this.
I forget, are we still in contract negotiations???
You assumed that they were different report times because I said the other flight was late. It was late as they had been trying to find an FO. We both had an 0820 departure time. We were running early. The PHX flight finally went out albeit about 3.5 hours late.
Dig thru my post history, this happened in May. I posted it here in one of the threads and NuGuy said to make sure to contact the union. I did and they looked into it no violation, just the pay part. The re-route was legit.
So how many 9E people are we going to get from the flow before it is shutdown? Also, what if someone in that flow had previously interviewed with us and failed the interview? I guess that doesn't matter in the flow? Lots of questions about this.
I forget, are we still in contract negotiations???
06-10-2021 | 12:59 PM
#530
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From: A350 Both
With our latest iteration of "bases don't own flying" my ATL (and NYC) exposure has substantially increased. If you have any more than 2 hours on the ground you are in the airport ready reserve que. If you make it to the gate, the last checklist item is cell phones off and you don't know where I went. The chronic understaffing in ATL and NYC affects us all.
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