Easter Meltdown
06-11-2021, 06:59 AM
#551
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That was not uncommon on the Shuttle....especially on a 5-leg day where you overblock on the first two or three legs and then they drop the last turn rather than keep running in delay and this knock you back down to your original guarantee. All that "work" for nothing....well.....there was the earlier finish so you could have that going for you, which is nice. 😁
06-11-2021, 07:45 AM
#552
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Good to know we are making improvements in some areas over time. Are you satisfied now? I'm not. There needs to be a premium to prevent other than absolutely necessary changes. The auto-rerouter/optimizer has no checks or balances.
06-11-2021, 07:50 AM
#553
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
Good to know we are making improvements in some areas over time. Are you satisfied now? I'm not. There needs to be a premium to prevent other than absolutely necessary changes. The auto-rerouter/optimizer has no checks or balances.
06-11-2021, 07:54 AM
#554
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I guess it comes down to what you consider a necessary change. The key reason Delta survived and flourished post chapter 11 was RA taking the helm and making ontime and reliability the number one priority. Excelling at that is what led Delta to significant margin increases over the competition, rapid advancement fir pilots and the PS checks we enjoyed pre covid. Handcuff the company on reroutes and the numbers go in the wrong direction.
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06-11-2021, 08:13 AM
#555
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Its is actually possible to have a reroute reduce pay and I had it happen more than once. It has always been quite common to get rerouted going through major hubs. 25 years ago we used to bet each other if we would get a reroute going through ATL. The way you lose money is if early in the rotation you have made a bunch of time increasing the value of the rotation and then you get rerouted. You are only guaranteed the original value. I don’t recall anyone really *****ing about reroutes back then because most of us considered it part of working for a airline. We didn’t get all the extra pay awarded now either as the contract simply paid you your original trip or the value of the reroute whichever was higher at straight rates. I was once rerouted from a turn into what ended up being 7 days. No premium pay. The SO did try and expense purchasing additional underwear but was denied!
It would help alleviate the pain from fact that currently your seniority means nothing once you sign in for your trip.
06-11-2021, 08:25 AM
#556
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I don’t recall anyone really *****ing about reroutes back then because most of us considered it part of working for a airline.
06-11-2021, 10:53 AM
#557
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I guess it comes down to what you consider a necessary change. The key reason Delta survived and flourished post chapter 11 was RA taking the helm and making ontime and reliability the number one priority. Excelling at that is what led Delta to significant margin increases over the competition, rapid advancement fir pilots and the PS checks we enjoyed pre covid. Handcuff the company on reroutes and the numbers go in the wrong direction.
06-11-2021, 11:51 AM
#558
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Originally Posted by Bergman
As I recently said to someone else, you lead a charmed life my friend. I’m on the ER now and have been rerouted 3 times in the last 30 days. For no extra pay. I did get one day dropped. YMMV. Happy you’ve had better luck, but that doesn’t mean pilots aren’t getting worked over.
06-11-2021, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Its is actually possible to have a reroute reduce pay and I had it happen more than once. It has always been quite common to get rerouted going through major hubs. 25 years ago we used to bet each other if we would get a reroute going through ATL. The way you lose money is if early in the rotation you have made a bunch of time increasing the value of the rotation and then you get rerouted. You are only guaranteed the original value. I don’t recall anyone really *****ing about reroutes back then because most of us considered it part of working for a airline. We didn’t get all the extra pay awarded now either as the contract simply paid you your original trip or the value of the reroute whichever was higher at straight rates. I was once rerouted from a turn into what ended up being 7 days. No premium pay. The SO did try and expense purchasing additional underwear but was denied!
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