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Old 06-10-2021, 01:01 PM   #531  
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Speaking of 2 + hour sits in ATL does anyone know if the gym in the A concourse is open yet? I have yet to rerouted mid-workout - must be good Karma. Either hat or they couldn't find me there.

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Not a gym guy, but if a shower and changing time is a legit delay for ready reserve, then I'll be trying to lose my Covid-19.
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Old 06-10-2021, 01:52 PM   #533  
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Speaking of which... are the gyms open yet in ATL and DTW?
As was mentioned the ATL gym is open but you have to reserve a time. And no towels available, probably not ever coming back.
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Old 06-10-2021, 02:00 PM   #534  
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If, as you stated, it was legal per the contract, then it sounds like you have more an issue with the contract than the company.
There are a multitude of items I am not happy with in the contract. However you can't honestly sit there and tell me the kompany is absolutely held harmless for their actions? How many grievances we have now?

Baby steps? I think we a well beyond that given the actions of the kompany as of the past 19 months. But I expect that we can close some of the many loopholes. QOL type stuff. I really hate fly now grieve later. I really hate the latitude we gave the kompany for being able to re-route us. Have us sit "airport ready reserve" (that's not in the contract is it? yet those 2+ hour sits in the ATL are just that).

DH.

Scope.

Honoring the bid.

GS Trigger.

AE's (how we liking that 365 - better not have any plans for the year)

Training scheduling.

The list goes on and on.....china flu was a distraction. Where are we now in the process? How many sections are still open?

Lots of areas to improve in our contract. Some will take some investment, some are low hanging fruit. If the last 19 months has taught us anything is that words have meaning and we must insure our contract language is pretty dang airtight. Give them .5microns of space and they will ram something thru on us, you can bank on it.

Yes I write my reps. I think they are getting pretty tired of hearing from me. I endeavor to persevere. Hope and change right?
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There are a multitude of items I am not happy with in the contract. However you can't honestly sit there and tell me the kompany is absolutely held harmless for their actions? How many grievances we have now?

Baby steps? I think we a well beyond that given the actions of the kompany as of the past 19 months. But I expect that we can close some of the many loopholes. QOL type stuff. I really hate…..blah blah blah
I’m certain I didn’t say anything in my post about the company being held blameless.

I just don’t get whining about a legal reroute that you got premium pay for. I left a desk job 24 years ago knowing I would probably never have a 9-5 schedule anymore. There are too many variables in airline ops to have everything run perfectly all the time. That is why we have reroute language in the contract. **** happens. The contract is a give and take. Flights need to be covered, and in certain instances we get extra pay for it. Does the company seem to ignore the contract on occasion. Seems so. Do pilots do the same? Seems so. Neither is right. I for one am happy where I am. I’ll agree though, lots to be improved on.

Note: blah blah blah added for emphasis.
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I did.

The point being - why bid a schedule when they just re-route at will.

Why even have PBS? Why have seniority?

I mean if you are going to ask that question, lets illustrate the absurdity by being absurd
Why do you work as a pilot? Why don't you just buy a ticket and sit in the back?

This is absurdity.
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You’d think 20 years in the military would imbue a sense of understanding for “change of plans”

guess not.
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As was mentioned the ATL gym is open but you have to reserve a time. And no towels available, probably not ever coming back.
Gym is open, no reservation needed and no time limit. Must wear a mask and bring your own towel.
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Gym is open, no reservation needed and no time limit. Must wear a mask and bring your own towel.
Anyone who's read Douglass Adams knows that the most important thing to bring on the road is a towel.

“A towel, [The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy] says, is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitchhiker can have. ..... use it to sail a miniraft down the slow heavy River Moth; wet it for use in hand-to-hand-combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes or avoid the gaze of the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal (such a mind-boggingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you); you can wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems to be clean enough.”
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You’d think 20 years in the military would imbue a sense of understanding for “change of plans”

guess not.
I’m not coming at you, nor am I necessarily defending Drum, but this is the second time you’ve mentioned “change of plans”. I totally agree that the company has a business to run and my paychecks always say Delta on them. I totally get that.

But at what point does it go to far? When you’re 20% and get rerouted out of all 3 layovers on a 4 day? When you bid 30 hour layovers at home and get rerouted out of SIX IN A ROW. Why bother bidding at all? It’s ridiculous.

I am more than happy to flex my schedule for the company, and honestly just at rotation guarantee, but they aren’t operating in good faith. Losing your 30 hour, that you bid for, because the Sodomizer predicts less than 30 minute connect time is BS.
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