notEnuf

Reroutes need to be more expensive for the company, period. Cost drives all long term decisions. We are all effectively on reserve now for the footprint of our trips. As the "need" to cover flying grows, so will the practice unless there is a conscious decision by management to reduce it. The only motivator is $$$.

Bert Sampson

I’m NB domestic in NYC and between 88 and 320 I’ve been rerouted less than 10 times in 5 years, and every single time it has been incredibly lucrative for me. So from my perspective the language is just fine. Which of us is correct?

BlueSkies

With all this talk of reroutes I have a question. If you divert for weather, time-out, and then are rerouted and finish your trip more than 4 hours later than originally scheduled you get nothing except whatever extra block you flew right? I know the language seems pretty straight forward, but then again I've been wrong before.

crewdawg

Bergman is correct. I don't commute, but I think we should have positive space commuting. One doesn't need to have had bad reroutes to see our reroute language sucks. The fact that our union tells us to send them the reroutes to ensure it's paid out correctly, is enough to know it sucks.

Bergman

As I recently said to someone else, you lead a charmed life my friend. I’m on the ER now and have been rerouted 3 times in the last 30 days. For no extra pay. I did get one day dropped. YMMV. Happy you’ve had better luck, but that doesn’t mean pilots aren’t getting worked over.

buckleyboy

No joke here: I once got rerouted and, because it reduced credit, it also reduced pay.
Reroute language definitely needs improvement.

Denny Crane

If you are on a regular line trip and get rerouted into a shorter trip, you are guaranteed the original trips pay/credit. You need to check your time card and make sure that adjustment was made when the trip closed.

Denny

FL370esq

You need to have that addressed. As a line holder, you should never get less than the value (pay and credit) of your original rotation as it stood before the reroute. In general, reroutes only get you extra pay if you do more than what you were scheduled to do and reroutes get you a lot more pay when you return back to your domicile more than 4 hours (domestic)/24 hours (intl).

[Edit - Denny is a way faster typer 😁]

sailingfun

Its is actually possible to have a reroute reduce pay and I had it happen more than once. It has always been quite common to get rerouted going through major hubs. 25 years ago we used to bet each other if we would get a reroute going through ATL. The way you lose money is if early in the rotation you have made a bunch of time increasing the value of the rotation and then you get rerouted. You are only guaranteed the original value. I don’t recall anyone really *****ing about reroutes back then because most of us considered it part of working for a airline. We didn’t get all the extra pay awarded now either as the contract simply paid you your original trip or the value of the reroute whichever was higher at straight rates. I was once rerouted from a turn into what ended up being 7 days. No premium pay. The SO did try and expense purchasing additional underwear but was denied!

notEnuf

Good to know we are making improvements in some areas over time. Are you satisfied now? I'm not. There needs to be a premium to prevent other than absolutely necessary changes. The auto-rerouter/optimizer has no checks or balances.