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Old 05-12-2021, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bert Sampson View Post
What exactly stops them from creating an alter-ego/B-scale operating certificate that in-houses ALL RJ flying with pilots we select and train that go on our seniority list and bid up and down between certificates freely? Wasn’t that essentially what Express was?
The PWA stops them. We have no established rate for E170/5s, CRJ -900, yes.
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Old 05-12-2021, 08:33 AM
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I say give it to 'em. Tie every RJ to a A330 or bigger and it is a one for one trade off. One RJ shows up, so does a 330. One 330 leaves, so does an RJ. That part of scope is meaningless diversion to the VAST majority of DAL pilot jobs. Let's see how bad they want it.

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1 WB for every RJ not flown at mainline period. Then if they park a WB they park 2 RJ not flown at mainline. Tied with that is 60% of JV flying is performed by delta pilots.

Did that change your mind?
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Old 05-12-2021, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Bert Sampson View Post
What exactly stops them from creating an alter-ego/B-scale operating certificate that in-houses ALL RJ flying with pilots we select and train that go on our seniority list and bid up and down between certificates freely? Wasn’t that essentially what Express was?
The 35 RJ's in question will almost certainly go to RAH to replace the 22 that went to AMR. RAH owns slots, that pre-covid, were worth more than all of DCI combined. Not sure what they are worth now however, because the slotting restrictions were suspended.
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Old 05-12-2021, 02:27 PM
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Sure, but 330 pay rate should = 350 if that’s the case.
longevity. based. pay.
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Old 05-12-2021, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Falcon20 View Post
1 WB for every RJ not flown at mainline period. Then if they park a WB they park 2 RJ not flown at mainline. Tied with that is 60% of JV flying is performed by delta pilots.

Did that change your mind?
maybe a little. I wouldn't waste one nickel of negotiating capital on the existing RJ fleet. Not one. If they want more, they pay. Dearly. If you want to retroactivate the demise of already existing RJs and tie them to the existing widebody fleet, I would listen to that. But at this point I don't gaf at all about what is already out there. You shouldn't either. That is a waste of time, energy and more importantly, capital.

Here's a point to be made. How many of the 14,000 pilots on the list benefit with an additional RJ? How many benefit with a new 330/350? And the only reason I bring up 330 is that it is becoming our biggest widebody fleet and will replace the 7ERs in due time. I would shoot for 350s, but the 330 is my 'negotiated' position.

Don't waste time talking about RJs.
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Old 05-12-2021, 02:56 PM
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longevity. based. pay.
I don’t know about that, you’ll have to enlighten me.
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Old 05-12-2021, 04:05 PM
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Why not just shut Endeavor down. Let our other two subcontractors pick up the left over flying.
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Old 05-12-2021, 04:09 PM
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Why not just shut Endeavor down. Let our other two subcontractors pick up the left over flying.
So your position is to put 2k pilots on the street..?

"It's OK they are just Regional scum"
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Old 05-12-2021, 04:20 PM
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Why not just shut Endeavor down. Let our other two subcontractors pick up the left over flying.
why on earth would this make sense?
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Old 05-12-2021, 04:24 PM
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So your position is to put 2k pilots on the street..?

"It's OK they are just Regional scum"
You’re given an opportunity to interview with Delta after 18 months as PIC. Our HR department basically wipes your ass for you the first day, you just have to pass the shrink. If you couldn’t get past having your own ass wiped for you the first day and you somehow get sent home. Then the next time you receive participation points and get to skip steps, I mean JFC. At the same time we have men and women who served our country given no freebies whatsoever, full interview, two days.

Today I show up to work only to see an endeavor pilot with his tie more to the right then straight, blazer undone, no hat, with that orange progress lanyard giving me the look. I think it’s time to reorganize the flying.
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