beernutt

So it’s a lot harder than being a Compass flow guy?

Drum

I like where you are going with this. Bring it in house. Hire more Delta pilots.


About that. They can apply to Delta and pass the interview. Welcome aboard like the rest of us.

No one said anything about scum. I don't know why you guys throw that out there all the time. We want delta passengers flown by Delta pilots, flying delta airplanes and that is the short of it. Put your app in and interview.

Like James Bond said, give me more 330's. A rising WB tide lifts all boats. We need to shore up our scope bigly.

Finessed

I could care less if Delta management wants to give those pilots a flow through. The point I’m making, it will never be enough with them.

The flying needs to be brought in house, no flow back, they need to be eliminated.

theUpsideDown

Astoundingly dense. Keep in mind these are notes for the readers not this dense poster.

Edv had a sub 50% pass rate. It would be 10-20% except when no one fills out the form to interview anymore and edv almost shuts down, suddenly the completely objective test pass rate goes up enough to bring it back to almost 50%. There was/is no wiping off asses. Pilots who didnt pass their interview overwhelmingly went to another legacy or fedex interview, passed and left. Some pilots at edv are delta or bust that didnt pass, they want delta or EDV for commute or personal reasons, and those (the most focused on getting job) pilots cant get it on the third bite of the apple for the most part. Maybe they deserve what they get, but i know some of those guys, they are fine.

Secondly every dollar you pay to republic goes partly to american and united. Skywest is a total loss. All the money going to EDV goes to delta. EDV is a proven profit center, just kept in a loss for the books. When i was there we identified IT as the vaccume suck of all our money. Thats objectively where our costs to mainline were as a company from tax filings. 8 guys and some server space...- every dollar we made. Hilarious and somehow legal. Turned out when edv was shutting down, it was worth it to basically double the pay for the pilots and whatever we needed we got over the course of the next 3 years. Management has the balls to tell new hires that was going to happen anyway, while we still have comms from Guum and his lackys making sure we understand if delta has to pay "a dollar more" for us, they will shut EDV down.

the mil guys get hired in front of edv, and so does everyone else. They goto class before edv, like everyone else. They are wanted and respected by hr, like everyone else. HR doesn't want anything to do with EDV guys. A point not lost of Delta higher ups and they stuck their fingers in Delta HR to get them to play along.

As I understand it now, pilots get a few extra points which helped get more guys through on the fourth version of the same program deltas been trying. The program is meant to keep edv pilots at edv making money for delta as long as possible before they bail for united-fedex/whatever. I get it, its just stupid because EDV pilots are very much like every other pilot. Long memories, cognizant of history.

Edv guys don't wear hats. They may not even wear their ties right. They may wear the orange lanyard i always encourage them to wear (thanks edv guys). Chances are, the guy this guy saw doesnt care anymore and wont be there long. For every 1 of him theres 5 that arent that way. In fact, if that guy saw his time hadn't been wasted at edv, he'd probably have a quick turn around. Theres nothing wrong with edv pilots as a whole, except some of them see through the EDV empty promise bull**** and they wish they were at envoy with a flow.
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JamesBond

I've made this argument for years. For those that have read it already, scroll on by. In a nutshell: 2 payscales; captain and FO. Start with year 1 and every year you get a raise. It would be a larger raise initially because the FO scale is tied to the CA scale, but after the 10 year mark the rate slows a little. (That's negotiable). The company can buy whatever airplanes they want, and you bid for QOL or type of flying. If they buy a bunch of 100 seat jets and a 30 year guy flies them, it costs the same as if that 30 year guy was flying a 350. Another benefit of the scale is that anyone that has been around more than 12 years still gets a pay increase while the company drags its' feet in contract negotiations. I have 4 years left and I doubt I will see another pay increase.

GucciBoy

You argue that flying the A220 is the same job as flying the A350, but then turn around and argue that being the captain is not the same job as being the FO. I don’t see how you can make those arguments simultaneously. Either you get paid more because flying larger aircraft over longer distances isn’t the same as flying smaller planes to the ‘villes & ‘burgs, and because being the captain involves more decision making and responsibility, or you get paid the same on any plane in either seat because the differences aren’t significant enough to warrant any pay disparity.

Which is it?

JamesBond

You're kidding, right?

GucciBoy

About what?

JamesBond

Captain and FO being the same job.

Big E 757

Dont engage with Finessed. He likes to pose as a Delta pilot but I think he’s a very accomplished troll. And please don’t tell regional guys you’re in favor of pulling the rug out from under a couple thousand of them and all they have to do is put in an application, like it’s that easy getting on at a major. Most have wanted to work here for years, and the fact they aren’t here yet isn’t because of a lack of effort.