tipofthe

You should discuss this with C44 before you spread very bad rumors.

CBreezy

You see? Like, they are in a car labeled scope? Or are you in the room with them? Are you listening to their phone calls?

MJP27

gzsg gonna gzsg. Someone should compile his greatest hits from over the years.....

theUpsideDown

AInt nobody got time for that!!

Stinsat7

You think he ended up this way by genuinely seeking out truth? That ship has sailed long ago.

Mainline Mulier

I can’t fathom how anyone with a brain in their skull could look at decades past and say “yes” to a single RJ under any circumstance. The 2000’s mainline shrank, RJ’s grew. Everyone’s career got smoked (except management).

It’s bad for DAL pilots. Period.

Gone Flying

I have seen 0 evidence anyone at DALPA supports scope gives. Not the MEC chair, not C44, no one. Only people I’ve heard talk scope gives in the past year (and this was secondhand, I don’t have CC, so this may be bad info) were a group on CC who was mad that UNAs did not get furloughed who were trying to retaliate. (Their plan was to try to get ALPA to give up scope for a retirement plus up, or so I heard)

Scoop

I wouldn't call it a plan - more like a few guys blowing off steam saying something like "If you don't give us this, we will do this." Keep in mind some of these guys were legitimately screwed although anyone still around has had a minimum of 15 years to plan and save for retirement. The guys who were most harmed are long gone.

Scoop

3 green

He has to be a liberal with the way his mind works.

Bucking Bar

I have directly heard and read plenty of evidence for scope gives, even recently, directly from Reps. The more radical the Rep, typically, the less they actually understand scope's function within the legal framework of labor law. The aggressive folks tend to muddy scope up with work rules. I've had two recently even offer that a "extra day of vacation" since it "increases staffing required" is "scope." I tried to be kind and educate in my rebuttal.

ALPA is a bottom-up organization. We control this thing by our feedback and our votes.

ALL Delta Air Lines flying is the WORK of the DELTA PILOTS in Section 1 C. 1. of our contract. We PERMIT some of our work to be outsourced. The intent of this is to DEFINE US as Delta pilots. We "DELTA PILOTS" because of this section of our contract.

Current Reps (almost all of them) hope to somehow manipulate scope to drive more widebody flying. That is a good thing, but scope is not a tool to drive a fleet mix (probably impossible to do anyway, pilots do not buy airplanes). The thing we must educate our Reps on is that we grow Delta pilot flying by making the definition of what a Delta pilot is (scope Section) more broad. This was the reason the "control" language in TA15 and C16 was so important, to capture "Delta flying" and ensure that we also broadly defined the JV partners to include subsidiaries controlled by a parent company (or one with control over schedules).

The easiest and most secure way to fix scope is to make scope more inclusive. Metaphorically, if this is a ranch, we want our fence so large that includes all of our horses.

So, if so much as a mule has Delta branded on its arse, then it should be inside the Delta fence, to only be ridden by Delta dudes and dudettes.

We should push to have Endeavor be Delta (seniority numbers) and just get rid of the permitted flying. It concerns me that only a small minority (maybe a third) of our Reps have annunciated the correct fix. The others:

• Would trade small jets for larger jets (they mistakenly think the path to larger jets is to just get some share of JV flying ((a. we already have it)(b. unless aligned with economic reality the proposed language is unenforceable and will fail under durress, which is how we got to this juncture))
• Would trade small jets for work rules - like a vacation (vacation has been mentioned twice in my small sample)
• Would allow more large RJs in a trade for fewer smaller RJs (my problem with this remains the fact that the economics of the larger RJs are so much better that it incentivizes replacement of mainline jets and these large RJs are economically viable at mainline when the cost of overhead is included)

The only correct answer is to remove the permissions and return to the core of scope: Delta pilots do all Delta flying. Build the fence around our entre operation (or as close as we can get)