firstmob

Good point!

sailingfun

Hawaiian is buying Boeing wide bodies.

JamesBond

God no.... They don't bring us anything we can't get on our own anyway.

gloopy

This always comes up but there is a reason it didn't happen back when consolidation was all the rage.

One really smart muckity muck I asked about it said they bring so little to the table beyond what we already do, but at the expense of one of the highest prorated debt levels around. At the time it was said their debt, if they were as big as us at the time, would have been in the 60B range. All for planes we already have (including one we are working to get rid of) and a couple HND slots all so we could have a hub in the low yield mileage redemption markets made it a solid no go.

I'd guess that now its even less of a possibility. With debt levels in the industry skyrocketing the last couple years and and it being a used widebody buyer's market anyway, there'd really be no point in taking on the debt in addition to the SLI/JCBA and DOJ/DOT issues.

20Fathoms

Haven’t heard either way, but at the schoolhouse last week they did mention they had just sold one of the 777 sims.

FangsF15

True statement. And today’s Town Hall JL seemed to indicate the company had no appetite for another fleet type. They will focus on the 350 and 330.

Also mentioned more focus on more NB than WB at this point, but also left the impression more 330’s might be on the horizon.

theUpsideDown

Are any of these 350s able to do the damn job or is it just gonna be fuel stops?

sailingfun

Restricted loads and go nonstop is the plan. SJU is not near the best flight track and our authority for the route is non stop.

theUpsideDown

Can we make money like that? (If you don't know it's fine)

Bergman

Seems like we’d make money, otherwise we probably wouldn’t be flying the route at all.

The July fleet newsletter has sample flight plans to/from JNB and it appears do-able. They did use June weather however and only 3000# cargo.
15:22 return time.