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Old 07-01-2021 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
SWA would be the flip see if that. The new hires are generally older and many in their fifties with great success in training.

That very well could be, it was purely an anecdotal observation over 3 airlines. That said, SWA is a bit different in that they used (has that changed?) to require you to already have had a 737 type. Not sure if that would have anything to do with the success rates.


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But the flows at AA are in that category as well and seem to do fine.

One of those mentioned, was a flow at AAL.


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were you military or civilian track? I would assume he was talking about civilian RJ pilots. FWIW During my time at a regional, myself and most my friends there averaged about 700 hours a year. most the military pilots I have met, especially fighter pilots, don’t fly nearly that much because their job involves much more than just flying.

Mostly mil guy, but that's why I say it wouldn't be a good way to guess age. The highest time guy in our squadron has just over 3k hours and he's been flying since dinosaurs roamed the earth.
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Old 07-01-2021 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg;[url=tel:3256774
3256774[/url]]It's beyond ridiculous to not apply because of a rumor. That's a losers mentality. Growing up, I was told by lots of people that I couldn't be an AF pilot because I wore glasses...sure glad I didn't listen to those ignorant folks!
Where and on what we’re you a crew dawg?
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Old 07-01-2021 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
Where and on what we’re you a crew dawg?
ANG Viper crew chief...I was a terrible mechanic so they sent me to be a pilot.
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Old 07-01-2021 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg;[url=tel:3257497
3257497]ANG Viper crew chief...I was a terrible mechanic so they sent me to be a pilot.
Ten active three reserve (a reminder why I got out the first time). Jet mech on 135, f4 and f16. Flat head on f15, f16.

Got tired of other guys breaking my plane. 😁
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Old 07-01-2021 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
That very well could be, it was purely an anecdotal observation over 3 airlines. That said, SWA is a bit different in that they used (has that changed?) to require you to already have had a 737 type. Not sure if that would have anything to do with the success rates.
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Mostly mil guy, but that's why I say it wouldn't be a good way to guess age. The highest time guy in our squadron has just over 3k hours and he's been flying since dinosaurs roamed the earth.
I think the “stigma” ,if there is one, is older RJ CAs. A retired mil guy is a good deal for airlines in many ways (like excargo mentioned earlier) but there seems to be this perception around high time RJ CAs that they do not do well (which I disagree with, but no one asked me). I think it can be overcome, and we had some high time guys in my NH class, but it definitely seems to be out there.
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Old 07-01-2021 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 60av8tor
Cannot speak for D, but birthdate was nowhere on my app. When I submitted paperwork prior to interviewing, all birthdates had to be removed. As a previous poster mentioned, however, not hard to deduce from work history and when I’m submitting college dates from the 90s🤔
Just checked, birth date is not on the Delta application. However, they do want high school info, so very easy to figure it out from there.

Maybe most people don’t put HS info on their apps, but I did (and all of my mil friends did as well, but maybe we’re just suckers).
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Old 07-01-2021 | 10:00 AM
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High school info? Wonder why?

Considering there's a de facto college degree requirement, digging around to see how well you did in your HS "Rocks for Jocks" classes seems a little silly.

Frankly, forcing someone to share their credit history for the past 20 years would probably tell you all you need to know about 99% of applicants.

The ways of HR are powerful and mysterious.
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Old 07-01-2021 | 02:37 PM
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I was 13 years in at my regional with about 10,000 hrs total with 50% of that as a captain. No check airman or anything special
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Old 07-01-2021 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
I think the “stigma” ,if there is one, is older RJ CAs. A retired mil guy is a good deal for airlines in many ways (like excargo mentioned earlier) but there seems to be this perception around high time RJ CAs that they do not do well (which I disagree with, but no one asked me). I think it can be overcome, and we had some high time guys in my NH class, but it definitely seems to be out there.
The older RJ people can go either way...

Some have made use of their time to accomplish things, often non-airline/non-aviation things. Those know how to make the transition to the next phase because they're naturally kind of rolling stones.

Others have rested on their laurels, and maybe developed some bad habits and attitudes which won't transition well to a new FOM, a new airplane, and the right seat. I know some UA pilots got in a tizzy over the behavior of some older RJ CA's hired lately... rumor was that the blowback affected opportunities for others.
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Old 07-01-2021 | 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DryClutch
(See bold).

Isn't that still a pretty small minority of folks though? I spent a lot of time at the regional's, and occasionally you would hear about a no PIC time FO getting snapped up, and everyone would come unglued about it (And I guess I kinda understand, I went out and earned my PIC time too, so to see a much less experienced candidate get the chance but you havent yet). But in my experience it was still a relative rarity. Or maybe I just wasn't paying hard enough attention.
I think it depends on the regional and the time period. My regional had 10+ year upgrade times and when hiring really started picking up 5-6 years ago some regionals had many FOs with 5,6,7 or even 8000+ hours, lots of other quals, but no PIC time and presumably the airlines understood why they had no PIC. In fact, many of my friends got hired without any PIC (UA and DL), however each one had put in serious work to get the interview.

Maybe it's different now with the return to quick upgrade times at many regionals in the last few years. I can't imagine there are many FOs accumulating that much right seat time anymore.
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