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Originally Posted by beernutt (Post 3260464)

Some things happened at Colgan and Pinnacle Airlines that might refute your claims that a US ATP is a certificate of competency in aerodynamic knowledge and adequate training.

I’m in favor of practical knowledge in aircraft operation versus emphasis on community service. That’s all I said. Please don’t take it as an attack on your viewpoint. We can both be right on this. Or wrong.

If I'm not mistaken... Both of those cockpits were representing that scam school Gulfstream Academy. As was the Comair in LEX. And at least one of them had prior training issues painted all over the guy's file.

Just an interesting correlation. Draw your own conclusions.

From what I’m hearing/reading, online assessment might be psych related (kind of like UAL Hogan).

In person HR, Shrink, and MMPI.

Haven’t found out if the COG will be online or in person.

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Originally Posted by TegridyFarms (Post 3260500)

I posted this in another thread—but it’s worth sharing here too. I am not saying #savetheJKT!! I am just saying my personal reasoning behind why it existed.

1) It was a bunch of stuff that they gave you to study. If you learned it, or at least an acceptable amount of it on your own time…….that showed initiative and that you’re a person who when given a bunch of material and being told “know this and you’ll be tested on it….” If you can do that—and aren’t a total tool during the interview you’ll be a good fit.

Why?

2) At Delta when you are assigned a new airplane—guess what?!? You're sent a ton of info that often times is new or foreign to you, you are asked to learn it on your own time, and show up on day one and take a test. And you’re asked to do that over and over for four weeks straight.

When I took the JKT I thought “Good God, that was so stupid.” Retrospectively, I understand why it exists once I taught myself an airplane and was tested on it. There’s definitely a correlation between that test and the way we train here.

this is certainly an angle to consider. New type ratings here are certainly a ton of independent study for systems. However I would think that ones ability to study would be evident by other ratings/ college degree. I can definitely see your point on this way of looking at it. But I just think there are better ways and glad we are taking a different route.

Any idea when the invites will actually start going out? Good luck everyone.

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Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3260528)

Any idea when the invites will actually start going out? Good luck everyone.

At least some went out yesterday

JKT was just another test I crammed for and then dumped immediately afterwards. And all but one in my interview group thought they failed it (the one actually did).

Good riddance

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Originally Posted by beernutt (Post 3260450)

A little more knowledge of aerodynamics sure would have helped the Air France 330 crew, whether it was tailored to naval aviators or not. I’m fully in favor of more practical knowledge in this profession, versus emphasis on community service and jot ‘em and dot ‘em tests.

Anyone can follow a magenta line when everything works and the weather is nice. Harrumph!

This is common old school thinking that analytics has proven to be ineffective. That's why emphasis on limitations and systems knowledge has been reduced and transitioned to strong emphasis on SOP, particularly utilizing the QRH.

When it comes to stalls in airliners, EET training is far more effective than reading Aerodynamics for naval aviators

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Originally Posted by Trip7 (Post 3260548)

There’s no reason it can’t be both except for money.

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Originally Posted by GucciBoy (Post 3260549)

There’s no reason it can’t be both except for money.

There is no reason to go back to the I'm a molecule, take me thru a pack/build an airplane days. None.

Data shows that Air Travel has never been safer than it is today. That's how big of an impact CRM and Standard Operating Procedures has been.

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Time will tell if this change affects the quality of new hires. As a NB A I have been flying with a bunch of new hires the last 5 years and as a whole they have been very impressive. Whatever method DAL has been using has been working very well - I hope the next 5 years worth of new hires is as good as the guys and gals hired in the last 5 years.

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