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GogglesPisano 07-08-2021 10:23 AM

There's absolutely nothing stopping someone from diving into the Vol 2. Highlights and bookmarks are free, too.

Buck Rogers 07-08-2021 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3260676)
There's absolutely nothing stopping someone from diving into the Vol 2. Highlights and bookmarks are free, too.

“You gonna pay me for that”?:)

I agree with you....and......not to make this a military/civilian thing, but......”shack”!

Might I also add that we are our own worst enemy. As over achievers, we showed up fully prepared for training. The instructors had to show they knew more so that raised the bar.....consequently, over multiple iterations we got to questions like...”How many ridges on the trim button?” in the never ending game of stump the dummy. It became unruly. I can’t even remember the last time any type of oral question was asked during CQ....or might I add....very little during IQ with the “new” training. Overall...the new way is not only easier(admittedly) but, more importantly...more rational, logical, and real world....I’ll say it again....we aren’t being hired to be “test pilots”

OOfff 07-08-2021 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3260661)
Old OOfff....the great “Uniter”. .......Good job.

sorry, I was never housebroken.

JungleBus 07-08-2021 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by Wolf424 (Post 3260675)
No problem with the sign.

If you don’t want to be “the best” (or attempt to better yourself to become the best), then go somewhere else. No one strives to be mediocre.

A call to excellence is one thing; perhaps that's the spirit in which the sign was intended, and that's the way I've chosen to take it, because the alternative is frankly embarrassing. Taken literally, the sign says DL pilots (or maybe just NYC-based DL pilots) *are* the best airline pilots (it formerly said the best pilots, period) and infers that all others are inferior. That smacks of the sort of hubris most experienced pilots try to avoid, the sort of pride that goeth before the fall.

flyingfiddler 07-08-2021 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by Wolf424 (Post 3260675)
No problem with the sign.

If you don’t want to be “the best” (or attempt to better yourself to become the best), then go somewhere else. No one strives to be mediocre.

Striving to be the best is great. Thinking you already are - well, that's when a guy needs to be reminded to never stop learning...

CBreezy 07-08-2021 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3260682)
“You gonna pay me for that”?:)

I agree with you....and......not to make this a military/civilian thing, but......”shack”!

Might I also add that we are our own worst enemy. As over achievers, we showed up fully prepared for training. The instructors had to show they knew more so that raised the bar.....consequently, over multiple iterations we got to questions like...”How many ridges on the trim button?” in the never ending game of stump the dummy. It became unruly. I can’t even remember the last time any type of oral question was asked during CQ....or might I add....very little during IQ with the “new” training. Overall...the new way is not only easier(admittedly) but, more importantly...more rational, logical, and real world....I’ll say it again....we aren’t being hired to be “test pilots”

This 100%.

Buck Rogers 07-08-2021 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3260708)
This 100%.

OMG...we finally found something we agree on....I can now go into retirement.....”complete” :):):D

GucciBoy 07-08-2021 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3260676)
There's absolutely nothing stopping someone from diving into the Vol 2. Highlights and bookmarks are free, too.


Totally agree…except the Vol. 2 is terrible. Absolutely zero deep-dives into the systems. A more detailed Vol. 2 would go a long way for those of us who want more systems knowledge.

RIPV3 07-08-2021 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Buck Rogers (Post 3260682)
“You gonna pay me for that”?:)

I agree with you....and......not to make this a military/civilian thing, but......”shack”!

Might I also add that we are our own worst enemy. As over achievers, we showed up fully prepared for training. The instructors had to show they knew more so that raised the bar.....consequently, over multiple iterations we got to questions like...”How many ridges on the trim button?” in the never ending game of stump the dummy. It became unruly. I can’t even remember the last time any type of oral question was asked during CQ....or might I add....very little during IQ with the “new” training. Overall...the new way is not only easier(admittedly) but, more importantly...more rational, logical, and real world....I’ll say it again....we aren’t being hired to be “test pilots”

That sounds like some of the dumb mil flying questions I'd get. At what pressure will this button pop? The one that is hidden under a cowling that I can't see, can't monitor, can't control in any way, and won't even know that it popped until post flight? That's the one. I don't care, but I'll let Mx know it popped since I can't do anything about it.

Gone Flying 07-08-2021 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by interceptorpilo (Post 3260616)
Did UPT. And I did civilian CFI before the military equivalency test was available. UPT was way harder but for a lot of different reasons - one year long, evaluated every minute even when off duty, little chance for do overs, volume of information etc. But the CFI oral and check ride were actually hard too. CFI you could take as long as you wanted or needed to prepare and if you fail just do it again. No limit on do overs.

yeah was not saying UPT was easy. just responding to drum’s dumb statement that CFI was easy because UPT exists. It is even more ironic givin drums post history, I doubt he had to take a civilian CFI checkride of any kind. Both have their unique challenges and are not terribly comparable.

Wrt your comment on “no limit on do overs” while you definitely can legally, it will be a huge black mark if you need to re take it more than once or (maybe) twice


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