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Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3261203)
I honestly don’t mean to sound harsh or mean with this, truly: Not my problem. And this is not the right sub forum if you are looking for sympathy.
And if this happens to you, place your ire where it belongs, and that is not at the Delta pilots. |
Originally Posted by JacksonThunder
(Post 3261162)
The flow up/flow down is tied to Delta having the ability to operate 35 additional 76 RJs. Should the courts decide the LOA is invalid, as it was specific to compass, Delta may have to park the additional 35 RJs- Because the flow is tied to additional scope, it could be revoked as well.
Anyway I don't see the 35 RJ's in question ending the flow. It *might* end the flow down provision, would would make it an all win no lose proposition to EDV pilots anyway. |
Originally Posted by tennisguru
(Post 3261164)
I believe there is a provision in the agreement that if the company loses arbitration on the 35 RJs then the agreement becomes invalid.
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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 3261228)
Does the EDV LOA/TA allow a company pull down in the event those 35 RJ's are permanently removed by the arbitrator? Even if they are, DL still needs pilots and an EDV with or without those 35 will still be a large spply of pilots. In fact, adding those 35 to EDV actually increases the churn and staffing issues a flow would exacerbate, right?
Anyway I don't see the 35 RJ's in question ending the flow. It *might* end the flow down provision, would would make it an all win no lose proposition to EDV pilots anyway.
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 3261229)
That possibility (or not) within whatever agreement EDV has is one question. Another is would they eliminate the flow. Yet another is even if they do, if they still hire a similar amount of pilots from there, how would that hurt morale? Finally, even if DALPA loses and the company can deploy those 35 large RJ's, what certainty would there be that they go to EDV anyway and not SKYW/Republic/Mesa/etc?
The irony of the whole thing is that the 35 RJ's probably wouldn't even go to Endeavor, certainly not all of them. But their MEC was given a take it or leave it offer. They really had no choice in the matter. And it probably will hurt 9E morale, especially for those lifers who had a brief glimmer of hope. Which again shows how cold a maneuver it is (was). |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3261244)
Yes, the Endeavor Flow LOA includes a clause to nullify the entire LOA if DL loses in arbitration. And if (when) DL loses, that's exactly what will happen. I would bet a month's pay they pull it down immediately. The ONLY reason they offered a flow was as a means to an end: 35 more RJ's. It's just that simple - and Machiavellian. DL management even agreed not to use one of the 35 until after the arbitrator rules, and you can bet they won't flow a single body unless and until they prevail.
The irony of the whole thing is that the 35 RJ's probably wouldn't even go to Endeavor, certainly not all of them. But their MEC was given a take it or leave it offer. They really had no choice in the matter. And it probably will hurt 9E morale, especially for those lifers who had a brief glimmer of hope. Which again shows how cold a maneuver it is (was). |
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 3261229)
That possibility (or not) within whatever agreement EDV has is one question. Another is would they eliminate the flow. Yet another is even if they do, if they still hire a similar amount of pilots from there, how would that hurt morale? Finally, even if DALPA loses and the company can deploy those 35 large RJ's, what certainty would there be that they go to EDV anyway and not SKYW/Republic/Mesa/etc?
RJs AND a flow, Endeavor must be given better flow terms. |
Originally Posted by JacksonThunder
(Post 3261251)
Actually, the first 250 pilots were given flow notices. Those notices cannot be revoked, even if the flow is nullified. The first 20 pilots are expected to begin class in August.
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3261244)
Yes, the Endeavor Flow LOA includes a clause to nullify the entire LOA if DL loses in arbitration. And if (when) DL loses, that's exactly what will happen. I would bet a month's pay they pull it down immediately. The ONLY reason they offered a flow was as a means to an end: 35 more RJ's. It's just that simple - and Machiavellian. DL management even agreed not to use one of the 35 until after the arbitrator rules, and you can bet they won't flow a single body unless and until they prevail.
The irony of the whole thing is that the 35 RJ's probably wouldn't even go to Endeavor, certainly not all of them. But their MEC was given a take it or leave it offer. They really had no choice in the matter. And it probably will hurt 9E morale, especially for those lifers who had a brief glimmer of hope. Which again shows how cold a maneuver it is (was).
Originally Posted by JacksonThunder
(Post 3261251)
Actually, the first 250 pilots were given flow notices. Those notices cannot be revoked, even if the flow is nullified. The first 20 pilots are expected to begin class in August.
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3261253)
I thought they gave the first 20 a deferral.
A thread about the 35 RJ's and flow was already established on APC: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/d...-back-133.html |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3261253)
I thought they gave the first 20 a deferral.
I haven’t kept up with it, but they probably did due to our staffing levels. |
Originally Posted by JacksonThunder
(Post 3261251)
Actually, the first 250 pilots were given flow notices. Those notices cannot be revoked, even if the flow is nullified. The first 20 pilots are expected to begin class in August.
Back on topic, New OTS interviews start on 22 July. I'd be interested in hearing a trip report on the 'assessment' from the new hires. That seems to be the one 'new' thing from this new process? |
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