Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > Delta
First Lion Air 737-900 Arriving This Week >

First Lion Air 737-900 Arriving This Week

Search

Notices

First Lion Air 737-900 Arriving This Week

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-24-2021 | 12:21 PM
  #51  
JamesBond's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 7,292
Likes: 0
From: A350 Both
Default

Originally Posted by Trip7
Who GAS if it has glass? Virtually every pilot except for the ones who still carry a flip phone.

Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
LOL What a spoiled little brat you are.

Just remember this: You know what got rid of navigators? Technology. You know what got rid of flight engineers? Technology. You know what will get rid of the need for a first officer? _______________


Oh, and if it weren't for the '3 pilots for anything over 8 hours' thingy, the A350 has 'technologied' the need for a relief pilot out of the cockpit as well. He literally has nothing to do.
Reply
Old 07-24-2021 | 12:27 PM
  #52  
JamesBond's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 7,292
Likes: 0
From: A350 Both
Default

Originally Posted by cornbeef007

Toilet seat won’t stay up…saw someone write that up the other day! Must be their “thing” but made me laugh.
Try a little starboard trim before you go back. Might work, ya never know.
Reply
Old 07-24-2021 | 12:27 PM
  #53  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,558
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by JamesBond
LOL What a spoiled little brat you are.

Just remember this: You know what got rid of navigators? Technology. You know what got rid of flight engineers? Technology. You know what will get rid of the need for a first officer? _______________
Greedy bean counters?
Reply
Old 07-24-2021 | 12:35 PM
  #54  
JamesBond's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 7,292
Likes: 0
From: A350 Both
Default

Originally Posted by Iceberg
Greedy bean counters?
Interesting thought. Care to continue that discussion? Dis gonna be good. How you gonna justify ever increasing pilot costs when the demands of the job are going down?
Reply
Old 07-24-2021 | 12:37 PM
  #55  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 12,538
Likes: 1,142
Default

Originally Posted by JamesBond
Interesting thought. Care to continue that discussion? Dis gonna be good. How you gonna justify ever increasing pilot costs when the demands of the job are going down?
It's almost like you are rooting for it. Typical "pull the ladder up behind you" pilot
Reply
Old 07-24-2021 | 12:41 PM
  #56  
JamesBond's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 7,292
Likes: 0
From: A350 Both
Default

Originally Posted by CBreezy
It's almost like you are rooting for it. Typical "pull the ladder up behind you" pilot
No, just being realistic. Can't you see where this is headed?


What is the difference between Alan Shepard and those 4 that went up on Blue Origin?
Reply
Old 07-24-2021 | 12:49 PM
  #57  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,558
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by JamesBond
Interesting thought. Care to continue that discussion? Dis gonna be good. How you gonna justify ever increasing pilot costs when the demands of the job are going down?
I imagine it will come down to the math involved with the money. Cost of the technology to include the required testing and certification. Cost of continued certification and dispatchability. What’s the cost of communications with sufficient bandwidth and coverage to be able to control the aircraft remotely? How about securing that communication to avoid hostile takeover? How much traffic do you risk losing or will techies choose to fly your planes? What’s the difference in insurance costs? How much greater is the risk of lawsuits or is it reduced? Does this all overcome the cost of an FO? Is it a short term to cost recovery or longer term?

Does the technology on an airplane reduce the responsibility of its pilots? Sure, they aren’t navigating by sextant, but now they are operating into airspace that is increasingly congested due to technology tightening the safety buffers. It makes it a different job, but it still has its demands.
Reply
Old 07-24-2021 | 12:58 PM
  #58  
JamesBond's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 7,292
Likes: 0
From: A350 Both
Default

Originally Posted by Iceberg
I imagine it will come down to the math involved with the money. Cost of the technology to include the required testing and certification. Cost of continued certification and dispatchability. What’s the cost of communications with sufficient bandwidth and coverage to be able to control the aircraft remotely? How about securing that communication to avoid hostile takeover? How much traffic do you risk losing or will techies choose to fly your planes? What’s the difference in insurance costs? How much greater is the risk of lawsuits or is it reduced? Does this all overcome the cost of an FO? Is it a short term to cost recovery or longer term?

Does the technology on an airplane reduce the responsibility of its pilots? Sure, they aren’t navigating by sextant, but now they are operating into airspace that is increasingly congested due to technology tightening the safety buffers. It makes it a different job, but it still has its demands.
Elon Musk is putting up a network of something like 42,000 satellites. Now granted, those are so people in the remote regions of the world will have internet, but the point there is that with a similar network, global navigation/communication will be seamless. Again with the 350, but there is a page we can pull up that shows how many satellites we are navigating off of. I think I remember seeing 12 at one time. That control you are concerned about is a hurdle that is rapidly becoming moot. It's not gonna happen tomorrow, but there are a lot of guys reading these pages that are going to have to contend with the issue in a future negotiation.


Your contention vis a vis the congested airspace is a hail Mary. Those demands are few and far between. The only reason you have to make the HF calls right now going across the Atlantic is because the Oceanic controllers have managed to convince governments they are needed for backup. That ain't gonna last either. If you have just started flying international in the last 10 years, you have no idea how much it has been dumbed down.
Reply
Old 07-24-2021 | 01:35 PM
  #59  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 857
Likes: 0
From: Representing the REAL Delta
Default

Originally Posted by Trip7
This is about the 737 not about Delta

Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
It’s a type that Delta operates, so yes this is about Delta.

My original response was to point out cons of the aircraft because they were neglected in the posters view of the aircraft. As usual, you minimize and marginalize any opinion that could be construed as negative to anything Delta. It’s what you do and most people here realize that.
Reply
Old 07-24-2021 | 01:54 PM
  #60  
Trip7's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 6,208
Likes: 271
Default

Originally Posted by JamesBond
LOL What a spoiled little brat you are.



Just remember this: You know what got rid of navigators? Technology. You know what got rid of flight engineers? Technology. You know what will get rid of the need for a first officer? _______________





Oh, and if it weren't for the '3 pilots for anything over 8 hours' thingy, the A350 has 'technologied' the need for a relief pilot out of the cockpit as well. He literally has nothing to do.
Yes because the 350's technology has removed the ability for a pilot to get fatigued and now two pilots should be able to fly of 12 huh? Does the 350 have a feature that improves pilot alertness? Is there some eye scanning software that keeps a pilots eyelids not only open but focused on the instruments for descent and approach?

Sent from my SM-N986U using Tapatalk
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
1st Supersonic
Atlas/Polar
20693
04-29-2026 07:35 AM
FUPM
Atlas/Polar
71
09-26-2017 02:11 PM
flystraightin
Major
4
05-31-2006 06:31 AM
Freighter Captain
Cargo
0
07-09-2005 09:27 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices