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Old 07-24-2021 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Eldee5
I can't get the internet to work half the time in the plane, and when it does, it doesn't stay on. I think we're ok with the single pilot/no pilot thing for a while...

This^^^^^^^

Had a discussion on the jumpseat today. The rollout, implementation and execution of domestic CPDLC has been years in the making and it’s still got a ways to go. Turns out pushing reroutes and frequency changes to airliners is fairly complicated. CPDLC runs about 100K per airframe.

If something as relatively simple as uplinking reroutes and freq changes is this cumbersome how in the world does anyone think we are only a decade or so away from thousands of airliners whizzing around the country autonomously day in and day out without a hitch…..
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Old 07-25-2021 | 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX
This^^^^^^^

Had a discussion on the jumpseat today. The rollout, implementation and execution of domestic CPDLC has been years in the making and it’s still got a ways to go. Turns out pushing reroutes and frequency changes to airliners is fairly complicated. CPDLC runs about 100K per airframe.

If something as relatively simple as uplinking reroutes and freq changes is this cumbersome how in the world does anyone think we are only a decade or so away from thousands of airliners whizzing around the country autonomously day in and day out without a hitch…..
Well the government is involved with that so..... Some of ya'll probably don't remember that NASA (government operation) used to launch people into space. It's true. I watched from my back yard.
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Old 07-25-2021 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Eldee5
I can't get the internet to work half the time in the plane, and when it does, it doesn't stay on. I think we're ok with the single pilot/no pilot thing for a while...
For awhile. But some of you will be contending with it before you 'retire'.
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Old 07-25-2021 | 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Eldee5
I can't get the internet to work half the time in the plane, and when it does, it doesn't stay on. I think we're ok with the single pilot/no pilot thing for a while...
Not just that, none of these planes can autoland in significant amounts of wind. No jetliner has a auto takeoff either. When airliners start doing that, then I consider THINKING about bout being worried.

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Old 07-25-2021 | 04:17 AM
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Pilotless pax jets aren’t the near rocks we need to worry about. Taking 4- and 3-man crews down to 2 will be a massive blow (the bad kind) to this profession. The second human in a cockpit on a crossing needn’t necessarily be a highly-trained and well-compensated professional pilot. I think we should fear that position’s requisite qualifications (and compensation) becoming more in line with IFS.
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Old 07-25-2021 | 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Not just that, none of these planes can autoland in significant amounts of wind. No jetliner has a auto takeoff either. When airliners start doing that, then I consider THINKING about bout being worried.

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Until all sub systems (ATC, dispatch, the plane, etc.) adopt AI driven collaborative decision making processes, capable of simulating holistic and naturalistic human decision making paradigms, it will not happen on a widespread scale. Sure a plane can fly from A to B undisturbed in a very controlled experiment environment. But without AI, and this is only my opinion, it's all moot. Think about your last flight and imagine synthesizing and somehow coding all the decisions that were made (Below/Above wing, dispatch, your crew, etc).

And then you have to ICAO regulate this to the lowest denominator (I am looking at you Kinshasa and Yangon FIRs). It'll be a while. It may happen, but it'll be a while.
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Old 07-25-2021 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Eldee5
Until all sub systems (ATC, dispatch, the plane, etc.) adopt AI driven collaborative decision making processes, capable of simulating holistic and naturalistic human decision making paradigms, it will not happen on a widespread scale. Sure a plane can fly from A to B undisturbed in a very controlled experiment environment. But without AI, and this is only my opinion, it's all moot. Think about your last flight and imagine synthesizing and somehow coding all the decisions that were made (Below/Above wing, dispatch, your crew, etc).



And then you have to ICAO regulate this to the lowest denominator (I am looking at you Kinshasa and Yangon FIRs). It'll be a while. It may happen, but it'll be a while.
Best post of the thread so far. Very well said.

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Old 07-25-2021 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Not just that, none of these planes can autoland in significant amounts of wind. No jetliner has a auto takeoff either. When airliners start doing that, then I consider THINKING about bout being worried.

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Ummm... This is awkward...
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2020/01/airbus-demonstrates-first-fully-automatic-visionbased-takeoff.html
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Old 07-25-2021 | 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Not just that, none of these planes can autoland in significant amounts of wind. No jetliner has a auto takeoff either. When airliners start doing that, then I consider THINKING about bout being worried.

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umm…about that

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/pres...d-takeoff.html

edit: looks like tipofthe beat me to it
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Old 07-25-2021 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tipofthe
An auto takeoff in a highly controlled testing environment and that's get you stating ummm this is awkward? Get back to me when this takeoff can be done at max crosswind limitations of the aircraft in gusty conditions. Or when it's actually certified at lower limits. Thanks.

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