NEO payrate must be at least equal to 752.

serious question, does delta and ALPA have to agree, or can DL just take it to arbitration? This is not meant as a sarcastic comment, I am genuinely curious if there is a way for DL to force a rate for the plane on us, or if ALPA must agree to it.

Isn’t the NEO the same size as the regular A321? I would think it would pay at the same rate as the normal A321.

The a321 carries the same number of pax as 757-200. So it makes sense to have the same payrate to me. Although i am aware it carries less cargo. NEO will have a max t/o of 208K, while NEO XLR if we ever get that is arround 228k max t/o wt. 75 payrates for all!

Greater MTOW, greater range, few more pax. 321 replacing 752 is a reduction in pilot costs, likewise 223 with 319/737-700.

Closest equivalence is 330-300 and -900. By and large the same jet, but updated with new engines and better capabilities, hence 339 paying slightly more.

the contract specifically says the A321NEO is a new aircraft type for pay purposes, hopefully we can get 757 pay rather than 737-900 pay for it (and eventually move all 321s to 757 pay)

Negotiation is required but arbitration can be requested after 90 days. The arbitration board issues the binding rate. So technically, DL cannot force a rate but they can not agree and then have arbitration decide. I’m certain arbitration would be completely unbiased. There’s no chance that they would give us a one cent raise over the CEO and also find that there is no need to negotiate with the union in the future. Again.

Did we get rid of a provision that a jet can't turn a wheel until a pay rate is agreed upon?

3.E.6. Pilots will undergo training and fly new models yada yada yada without regard to how long it takes to complete the process.

Paraphrased, but yeah.

Yep. 3.B.6. I think, around 15 years ago. A.K.A. "The Hammer" which is one of the reasons LM thew money at the pilots; to help that mighty provision go away.

IIRC while C2K was the "UAL+" contract, its often forgotten that the UAL part of that equation was a beneficiary of the "Delta Dot" which was basically the 737"NG" pay negotiated when "The Hammer" was still in DALPA's hands. UAL patterned off of that to get their pay tables which became the "United Plus!" rallying cry for C2K.

There was also a 777 kerfuffle around that same era where DALPA called LM's bluff ($500/hr in 20 years ago dollars was the rhetoric, but who knows what was actually in the negotiating room) and he threatened to park the fleet but did end up cancelling orders because of it. Once the dust settled DL only had a micro fleet of around 8 of them.

Regardless, it was a very powerful provision that is now gone.

Which is why IMHO we won't see "757 pay"...because 757 pay already is 767-300 pay. That is only because it is a common category. I doubt any arbitrator will put the 321NEO in the 767-300ER pay range.

That's why the 737-900 (AKA the "other ER"...don't be h8'n) which came after "The Hammer" was given up only pays a dollar more than the -800.