12 hour day maximum? That would be a huge improvement. Table B in 117 is has lots of 12.5, 13 and 14 hour FDP limits.


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Forgive me for being a NH fresh out of indoc and new to all this. We had guys and gals in class that walked out in the middle of sims at UA and AA to be here. They must have had a reason for it. Most were going to be commuting anyway. I'm not seeing any no shows in the last three classes. One guy left the in base competition hanging to be here and their union rep called him during dinner to ask why he didn't show up to indoc and wanted info for their upcomingnegotiations. Yea UPS and FedEx may be pulling some of our fresher hires, but is anyone above 4 years really leaving?

New hire and in base

 

If your doing 2 legs or less and report at a sensible body time, yes. But we're talking about Delta trips.

 

How did they do that if your not contactable on sits?ACARS? Gate agent? Electronically?You answered your phone accidentally? “This “operational necessity” language can it be applied always? or only under declared irregular ops? To be fair most carriers have this ability and all you can really do is make it as expensive and difficult as possible. Sorry to keep chiming in on your negotiations just trying to understand your language issues and provide some food for thought.

 

Welcome - good to have you here! I honestly have no idea if anyone is walking out of our own sims to go elsewhere, but you’d obvious be more likely to meet the incomings at your indoc than the outgoings who left later. And we never meet the ones who said “nevermind” to the CJO…I don’t know if the company shares their acceptance rates. The reason I think there really won’t be any no shows (and why I think it irrelevant), is with hundreds of active CJOs, the hiring team can make a few calls and fill seats they only just learned they would have empty with three days notice.

Positive space commuting and the TALK like it could become permanent could be attracting commuters - I’m not sure. In base people obviously have a propensity to pick the airline they reside near. But whatever major(s) hits a home run on the next contract will get a hiring edge. With our low percentage of wide body jobs, terrible seat locks, crappy AE and IQ processes and industry standard pay with (currently) zero profit sharing, I honestly don’t know what makes Delta any better than any other peer. And if someone likes money, a simplified commute and understands the time value of money earned bigly early in the career, FedEx sure looks pretty attractive. Lucky for us, they don’t employ/hire nearly as many pilots as AA and UAL.

 

For the record, in most interview classes, CJOs and new hires keep in touch with each other through various means. I don't think it's accurate to say no one is rejecting it but if anyone has the pulse of CJO to new hire rates, it would be the recently hired.

 

I’m very far removed. I’m just trying to reconcile what I’m hearing (20-40% of CJOs not ultimately attending the offered indoc class) with what Sailing is telling us. You appear to be saying perhaps 16 interview, 12 are CJO’d, one of four awesome candidates gets removed by the PARB they were referred to for stupid reasons no one who knows the removee can understand, and the remaining 11 are in touch with one other and virtually none of these parb-passing CJOs decline the indoc offer?

Other than the ridiculous and mysterious parb removals, that sounds pretty good to me. Just different from the rumor…

 

Acars at top of descent.

 

FIFY

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Next time bang out fatigued.

This **** has got to stop.

We're going to hurt someone soon

Need to make RR painful for the kompany in this next contract.