Contract 2022
#681
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because they have to show some progress, so that it at least look like they are trying....I am an outlier, and my GAS factor is approaching nil, if they keep doing nothing, they pizz of more and more pilots, and more start doing less, and then things go down hill from there. That’s the only reason I think the company actually wants to show progress, or at least have some sort of plausible deniability...so they don’t **** off the middle of the road guys.
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because they have to show some progress, so that it at least look like they are trying....I am an outlier, and my GAS factor is approaching nil, if they keep doing nothing, they pizz of more and more pilots, and more start doing less, and then things go down hill from there. That’s the only reason I think the company actually wants to show progress, or at least have some sort of plausible deniability...so they don’t **** off the middle of the road guys.
After this pandemic and all the associated Tom foolery, I’m honestly not even certain a nice contract will put springs in steps anymore. A poor one could really put us into a tailspin.
#683
I agree with both of you. I was just pointing out the huge logical flaw in the claims that a quick deal is likely or even possible. Management and Labor's desires for this deal are diametrically opposed WRT staffing and scheduling. There is no win/win solution that solves both parties' needs. So there is no incentive that would bring any sort of quick deal. Get comfortable this is going to take a while.
The massive self-inflicted inefficiencies gave lots of pilots time to get comfortable at home. I don't see us falling over ourselves to fix another summer staffing problem. This is the year where GAS factor begins having a measurable negative impact on NPS. At the current rate our customer service and engagement levels will start making AA look good.
#684
Disagree completely. Delta will want to get this deal done ASAP. They have a critical staffing situation on their hands. Moreover, they have critically understaffed SLIs and LCPs and desperately need to increase the pay. Furthermore, the Regionals are getting emptied and will need to do something to firm up that operation, either stable Endeavor to the Delta list or order more 220s, 73s, 320s and shrink the regionals down to the bare minimum. Overall I believe with conviction that we have the strongest leverage in the history of the business.
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#686
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In terms of timing keep in mind that rather than focusing on key areas of the contract we elected to basically negotiate and rewrite the entire contract. That takes time. Even with exceptional progress relative to the norm I doubt a contract could be completed before summer.
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We reopened negotiations on 18 Jan. Our contracts are negotiated via a exchange of term sheets. I doubt either side had any expectations of TA’s on any section in two weeks. I suspect you think that we sit down at a big table and bang our fists and make demands and the company does the same. The process does not work anything like that. We give them a term sheet for a part of the contract. They normally would give us one also. In a week or so there might be some requests for clarifications. Our professional negotiators review everything with our pilot negotiators. In another week or so new proposals would be exchanged based on the original request.
In terms of timing keep in mind that rather than focusing on key areas of the contract we elected to basically negotiate and rewrite the entire contract. That takes time. Even with exceptional progress relative to the norm I doubt a contract could be completed before summer.
In terms of timing keep in mind that rather than focusing on key areas of the contract we elected to basically negotiate and rewrite the entire contract. That takes time. Even with exceptional progress relative to the norm I doubt a contract could be completed before summer.
There is no real mediation oversight yet and won’t be for some time. Keep calm …and slack on. To create a deal you have to create a need. Minimal effort for maximum return, if I could find a lower gear I’d be in it. These 4 and 5 day domestic trips every week without any ability to amend a schedule have worn me out.
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Good homes with good schools near our hubs are already well north of a million. I cannot imagine what they will cost 5 to 6 years from now.
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That cycle is long gone. We will get a 3-4 year deal and be back in negotiations in 2026 at the earliest.
