Contract 2022
#671
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This negotiation requires a paradigm shift. We aren't "unlocking value" by providing concessions in one area to achieve gains in another. We are literally sitting at the table asking for improvements in everything. Buying pilot labor is similar to buying a car right now. Have you tried buying a car lately?
#672
I tell you what I have given up during negotiations: greeting passengers at the door, making those welcome aboard PA’s from 1st class, taking a walk down stairs to get that stroller, and yes, leaving my comfy armchair on one of my cherished days off to help the company fix their own staffing crisis they created.
(well truthfully I didn’t really pick up anyways…)
(well truthfully I didn’t really pick up anyways…)
If you are trying to drop a trip on black reserve days and are also planning on getting a covid shot, why not combine the two events? Save your APD and use the booster shot to drop your trip. I know we don't get paid for the drop like was previously offered, but if you were willing to drop it without pay you still saved an APD. Appointments are rapidly filling up for Friday the 11th, 48 hours before kickoff.
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There isn’t another car for the company to buy either. Does the company want a well taken care of,low mileage vehicle for market value or a beat up, tired, clapped out car at 2016 costs? Because those are their two choices.
#674
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This negotiation requires a paradigm shift. We aren't "unlocking value" by providing concessions in one area to achieve gains in another. We are literally sitting at the table asking for improvements in everything. Buying pilot labor is similar to buying a car right now. Have you tried buying a car lately?
I agree with both of you. I was just pointing out the huge logical flaw in the claims that a quick deal is likely or even possible. Management and Labor's desires for this deal are diametrically opposed WRT staffing and scheduling. There is no win/win solution that solves both parties' needs. So there is no incentive that would bring any sort of quick deal. Get comfortable this is going to take a while.
#675
Disagree completely. Delta will want to get this deal done ASAP. They have a critical staffing situation on their hands. Moreover, they have critically understaffed SLIs and LCPs and desperately need to increase the pay. Furthermore, the Regionals are getting emptied and will need to do something to firm up that operation, either stable Endeavor to the Delta list or order more 220s, 73s, 320s and shrink the regionals down to the bare minimum. Overall I believe with conviction that we have the strongest leverage in the history of the business.
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JMHO
Now if Russia invades Ukraine and there are crippling sanctions that induce a worldwide recession … better get used to no new contract. Who was it that said the airlines would never lose money again?
#677
Corporations want projected predictably. It will be a tough negotiation, as always, with one side asking for the sky and the other offering dirt. But I think there will be a deal sooner rather than later. The mediator is involved and that will speed things up. Remember, the company asked for mediation two years ago for a reason: they want to move things along and want to be able to project predictability to shareholders.
JMHO
Now if Russia invades Ukraine and there are crippling sanctions that induce a worldwide recession … better get used to no new contract. Who was it that said the airlines would never lose money again?
JMHO
Now if Russia invades Ukraine and there are crippling sanctions that induce a worldwide recession … better get used to no new contract. Who was it that said the airlines would never lose money again?
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The company has predictably right now, it’s called the contract protected by the RLA. The only issue I see is the shortage of LCAs/SILs but the company is in the process of solving that issue with a few tricks. I’ve been here since 1989. Seen a lot. No way we get a TA before 2023. Company is relatively happy now, just got awarded #1 airline (air line?) by WSJ. Not at all a crisis need for a TA on the company’s end. Mediation effectively means NOTHING.
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The company has predictably right now, it’s called the contract protected by the RLA. The only issue I see is the shortage of LCAs/SILs but the company is in the process of solving that issue with a few tricks. I’ve been here since 1989. Seen a lot. No way we get a TA before 2023. Company is relatively happy now, just got awarded #1 airline (air line?) by WSJ. Not at all a crisis need for a TA on the company’s end. Mediation effectively means NOTHING.
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