Originally Posted by p3flteng

where can I find that? I am logged into ALPA and have looked on the DALMEC site with no luck...

Originally Posted by tunes

they are actually digging deeper into the hole.

Originally Posted by ERflyer

Who was it that said the airlines would never lose money again?

Originally Posted by sailingfun

We reopened negotiations on 18 Jan. Our contracts are negotiated via a exchange of term sheets. I doubt either side had any expectations of TA’s on any section in two weeks. I suspect you think that we sit down at a big table and bang our fists and make demands and the company does the same. The process does not work anything like that. We give them a term sheet for a part of the contract. They normally would give us one also. In a week or so there might be some requests for clarifications. Our professional negotiators review everything with our pilot negotiators. In another week or so new proposals would be exchanged based on the original request.
In terms of timing keep in mind that rather than focusing on key areas of the contract we elected to basically negotiate and rewrite the entire contract. That takes time. Even with exceptional progress relative to the norm I doubt a contract could be completed before summer.

Originally Posted by Crown

Doug Parker



I was a regional guy for a long time. I've seen this play out, and the way it's playing out, it's very very similar to what I experienced. When there's a sense of urgency, there won't be 2 days on 3 weeks off. If the Company truly wanted a deal ASAP, they'd be negotiating every day or very close to that. The fact that they aren't speaks volumes. And don't tell me it's the mediator; the Company and Union can put pressure on the mediator to get this done.

Bottom line, it's going to be longer than you think it is Sailing. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by Drum

I was thinking the same, so I went to look at the contract comparison the NC recently published. It lives on the DALPA MEC page, Hot Topics, Contract 2019, lower left the red box that says "Contract Comparison".

It's pretty good product. To sum up we are not the leaders, but we are not last either. We are probably a solid B-/C+ compared to the others.

Some nuggets (top of scale CA & FO rates):

We lead 350, But lag 330/76
We lead 75 of the pax carriers
we lead 737/321 (except SWA 737-800 pay exceeds in 2021)
Lag 320 behind UAL and AA
Lag 220 behind AA and UAL (neither has any yet but they have the rates)
Lag only UAL and UPS for domestic per diem
Lag UAL, FedEX, UPS on Int'l per diem

Just a highlight. It is a good document. If you haven't I would go read it.

Again, we are not the best, but we certainly are not the worse either. Mnay areas for improvement though, so I wouldn't let the detractors here convince you otherwise.

Originally Posted by boog123

factoring in inflation prior to 2022, since 1990, major pay rates are approx 15% below pay rates from 30 years ago.

Originally Posted by JustNarced

We exchanged openers in 2018, not sure if you were here for that. 0 TA's since then actually.

Originally Posted by notEnuf

24 years and 3 airlines and I’ve never seen a contract on time or early. The closest we came was TA1 and it was a joke. All you TVMs better get on board with an escalator clause.

Originally Posted by sailingfun

If the company is making irrational demands the arbitrator can and should release us to strike. Labor unrest can effect bookings and stock price. In the end however the process always seems to drive a industry standard solution.