We had posts like this in 2016 where the rumors got so bad the company posted all the numbers. The hundreds leaving turned out to be something like 6 pilots and two of those were fired.
I was told our current take rate is over 70% which is right along historically averages with everyone hiring. Probably the highest in the industry.
As far as the much higher average of people leaving I decided to look at the monthly lists to see the damage in the latest round of hiring.
6/22 class 16 hired with 16 on the list today
7/06 class. 15/15
7/20 class. 26/26
8/03 class. 46/41 note: 2 rolled back to 8/31 class. Don’t understand that.
8/31 class. 34/36

In total in the first 3 months of the hiring round Delta hired 137 pilots and we lost 3 to either resignations or terminations or resignation in lieu of termination. Data was compiled from each monthly list and then compared with pilots currently on the property as of Jan 2022.

 

Yup looked again and it's credit. Hopefully it is happening, maybe the SLIs were exaggerating how long it's been since they've flown, but one said he hasn't flown since March. With credit, they still have time to make it happen.

 

I have a feeling the few "no shows" or roll-backs were positive covid tests, because I think Delta started making people test 24 hours before starting class.

 

Let’s be honest too, a few years back pre-Covid, while most pilots could eventually get multiple CJOs, it wasn’t always at the same time. I know many that got a job, started said job, and then got an interview where they really wanted to be (domicile related mostly, other didn’t want to fly a 737 for the rest of his life). We all know that pilots apply everywhere until they get the job they really want. With today’s hiring numbers, those CJOs are now almost coming on top of each other. I would expect, in my completely un-insider opinion, to see more no shows or refusals for Indoc than people leaving year 1 right now.

Whoever raised the point of other major carriers having a LOT more seniority progression, that is a fact, and with pilots holding multiple CJOs, it is a factor, and we kid ourselves if we think it doesn’t. I know a few over the last couple months taking jobs elsewhere because of that. Also maybe our lack of bases in income tax free states hurts as well (FL and TX).

 

So good question. I was at a company where attracting pilots became leverage. The company was 4months from shutting down, each month 2-4% of the pilots were leaving each month- not retiring- (520 a month here in other words) and management failed on every strategic an immediate solution to the problem. Frankly we arent there.

What we dont want to do is give the company any more productivity, (that would be a trade in on a NEED they have,) because theyll staff us even less.

What is it you mil guys say? Stay in your lane or whatever? We arent running the company, we dont want to be, we arent HR and we arent staffing an airline for Delta. Dont try and fix things, you are a fixer in life but we are not here to fix the company. The company doesnt believe staffing is an issue so it wouldnt be leverage. Yes, some mil guys are going to goto united instead. In the big wide world there are more than just mil pilots out there to hire.

Focus in on what you want. What do we want. What does the company want. If you want this company to be the envy of all you mil friends because you got here, we cant negotiate that. Theyre going to fly 777s, youll be on a 320. Its never too late.

We want a raise. We want a raise AFTER buying power corrections. Focus in on what WE want and remember its possible (despite agruments to the contrary) once the company is posting big profits again. Id trade a lot to get the scope back, i dont know if im in the majority.

 

Agreed. I've had lots of friends get multiple CJOs within weeks of each other lately. I'd be interested to see how many people are turning down the Delta CJO for somewhere else. I'm willing to bet it's a lot higher than it's ever been since 9/11. Also, I wonder how many people just flat out decline the interview because they already have other CJOs by the time Delta gets around to calling them. I think class no-shows will always be low, because most people make their decision before confirming their class date. Or they cancel far enough in advance that Delta can just fill their spot with someone else from the pool.

 

I think the CC guys are getting bored of the echo chamber.

 

I think a few people misconstrued my message that Delta is not attractive and that’s an ego problem. I don’t care about anybody else’s envy. I don’t care if nobody wants to work for Delta. I made my points because the general consensus is that we are understaffed and that needs to be fixed. But if you say that the company is not part of that consensus, then I guess this whole topic is moot.

 

Hold on. Delta fired or forced resignation of 3 out of 137 newhires in the last 3 months? That seems high. Is it pretty common over there for people not to survive training and probation? Or were these guys just knuckleheads who showed their asses?

 

Not really, the plandemic is being seen as just that.

But on this note, we have some Moakies running around, some BB crowd, some JM too.

I'm surprised to see some tone of "meh, we are going to get a milk toast contract because XYZ"

Polling starts today. I would pay attention to the types of questions they ask as that is insight to what perhaps the kompnay is tossing at. And what DALPA is going to look at.

C19 is no more. We are working, really, on C23. So we should posture for that.

As to jay dawg comments, I would not have been as harsh, but yeah I smell some C44 surrender monkeys running around in here