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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3407011)
You need to go back and read posts two years ago. Time value of money and contract timelessness were of no value. There would never be another black swan event.
It was worth holding out for years and full retro was a guarantee! The strategy that took us from a absolutely horribly bankruptcy contract back to top of the industry in 10 years was worthless. We did not even need to consider what worked and what has not worked. We jumped into the deep water with a plan that has never once succeeded in a industry under the RLA and it seems everyone thought we would simply walk on the water. From all the recent posts it looks like reality has set in. Reality can be harsh, results matter. EB when we had just started negotiations said this was the most recalcitrant MEC he had ever dealt with. I suspect now he goes to bed every night thanking the gods for that recalcitrant MEC. It saved him billions! |
Originally Posted by ebl14
(Post 3407013)
This is an interesting way of forgetting about covid or pretending it never happened.
Do the math. |
Originally Posted by ebl14
(Post 3407013)
This is an interesting way of forgetting about covid or pretending it never happened.
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3406986)
Without a doubt. I just don't see 8%+ first year pay increase with full retro back to the amendable date.
Ain't. gonna. happen. Fire away. |
Originally Posted by interceptorpilo
(Post 3407021)
8% and retro would be an insult.
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3407011)
You need to go back and read posts two years ago. Time value of money and contract timelessness were of no value. There would never be another black swan event.
It was worth holding out for years and full retro was a guarantee! The strategy that took us from a absolutely horribly bankruptcy contract back to top of the industry in 10 years was worthless. We did not even need to consider what worked and what has not worked. We jumped into the deep water with a plan that has never once succeeded in a industry under the RLA and it seems everyone thought we would simply walk on the water. From all the recent posts it looks like reality has set in. Reality can be harsh, results matter. EB when we had just started negotiations said this was the most recalcitrant MEC he had ever dealt with. I suspect now he goes to bed every night thanking the gods for that recalcitrant MEC. It saved him billions! |
Originally Posted by GivemeVSP
(Post 3407023)
Yet the Moakies are still so far in the minority they can’t compete in the LEC elections. Out of touch!
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Originally Posted by JamesBond
(Post 3406986)
Without a doubt. I just don't see 8%+ first year pay increase with full retro back to the amendable date.
Ain't. gonna. happen. Fire away. Inflation is here and the effects are real ... by no fault of either the company or the pilot group. Nearly every single pilot knows that a 15% or 20% increase from our current pay is still a pay cut. How would the Negotiating Committee sell to the members pay tables that don't even match 2019? Tying retro pay to the effects of an increasing supply of currency makes no sense; although I will cede your point in that the company could try to tie the two together. A5S |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3407011)
You need to go back and read posts two years ago. Time value of money and contract timelessness were of no value. There would never be another black swan event.
It was worth holding out for years and full retro was a guarantee! The strategy that took us from a absolutely horribly bankruptcy contract back to top of the industry in 10 years was worthless. We did not even need to consider what worked and what has not worked. We jumped into the deep water with a plan that has never once succeeded in a industry under the RLA and it seems everyone thought we would simply walk on the water. From all the recent posts it looks like reality has set in. Reality can be harsh, results matter. EB when we had just started negotiations said this was the most recalcitrant MEC he had ever dealt with. I suspect now he goes to bed every night thanking the gods for that recalcitrant MEC. It saved him billions! No one said there would never be another black swan, that’s an absurd statement. I don’t think you can judge this until we get the results. The game ain’t over in 6th inning. Ed stated the MEC was “disagreeable” during October of 2020, during furlough mitigation negotiations, not at the beginning of section 6. I suspect he’s not thanking them for the lowered TLV and GS trigger, but I am. |
Originally Posted by GivemeVSP
(Post 3407023)
Yet the Moakies are still so far in the minority they can’t compete in the LEC elections. Out of touch!
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