MEC Brief: Operating At Red Line, Again
03-08-2022 | 08:23 AM
#11
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I agree with you, but almost the entire pilot group is scared to call in fatigued as we speak. Pilots want to blend in and not cast a spotlight on themselves for obvious reasons. If a few pilots did it weekly, I guarantee you they would be targeted. Maybe nothing would come from it, but they would be targeted by mgmt.
03-08-2022 | 08:23 AM
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I agree with you, but almost the entire pilot group is scared to call in fatigued as we speak. Pilots want to blend in and not cast a spotlight on themselves for obvious reasons. If a few pilots did it weekly, I guarantee you they would be targeted. Maybe nothing would come from it, but they would be targeted by mgmt.
03-08-2022 | 08:33 AM
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I have called in fatigued when needed. Never even asked for a explanation even when it resulted in a canceled international flight.
03-08-2022 | 08:42 AM
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That would mean the rotations really are not fatiguing then because VERY few pilots are calling in fatigued. So why is everyone complaining about how bad the rotations are? If they are not afraid to call in fatigued why are more pilots not doing it?
03-08-2022 | 08:47 AM
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for me, undesirable rotations and actual “I can’t safely complete this flight” fatigue are not always the same.
03-08-2022 | 09:34 AM
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Many MANY of the trips are built lately to a level that will possibly/likely result in a fatigue call. Some days you actually feel pretty good and can safely complete the schedule. Other days not so much.
It’s the same as a sick call. If you’re sick you’re sick. If you’re fatigued you’re fatigued. A crusade against **** trip construction is different. Not saying the trips don’t suck but we lose the deserved high ground if we conflate the two issues, however tightly related they may be.
03-08-2022 | 10:02 AM
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The conundrum being if you don’t call in fatigued when you are fatigued now when you finally do get so fatigued you can’t avoid calling in it can be interpreted by some judge as a change in status meant to illegally affect negotiations.
Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Damn!
Damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Damn!
03-08-2022 | 10:30 AM
#18
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I also flew a poor trip a couple of months ago. It was an ATL-DEN-ATL turn. Worth about 6 hours. Normally those go senior. There was a reason I got it. There was a 3.5 sit in DEN, different airplane going back of course, no lounge, no place to relax away from the crowds. We just had to grumble and find a restaurant then some quiet corner. It sucked but I couldn't I good faith claim I was fatigued.
But I sure check the sit times more carefully now!
03-08-2022 | 12:04 PM
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I follow this logic and I know there was a lawsuit with another carrier (AA) I think. My question is when does the change in schedule quality and flexibility become and change in status quo? The numbers post in the OP are from 2018 or basically since the amendable date. Could ALPA try and enforce status quo for a change?
03-08-2022 | 02:20 PM
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Unrealistic to expect that out of pilots. Last time I called in fatigued, it was most obvious fatigue call ever, yet the captain refused to back me and even went out of his way to make sure duty pilot knew he was good to go. It was obvious he was ****ed about my decision but I didn't really care because I've been here so long. No way a new hire would have stood his ground.
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