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As a 73 pilot not based in Atlanta I can tell you that this is inaccurate. Lots of multiple leg days, which I wouldn't mind so much if we didn't change planes so often, long sits in places with no pilot lounges, and short layovers in crummy hotels. Happy to have more flying at mainline, but that doesn't mean we should settle for a total destruction to our QOL. To pretend that things are all rosy and then blame the pilot group is just carrying management's water, especially during negotiations for a new contract.

Interesting. I didn’t get an ACARS a coupes weeks ago, although it was a strange setup.

On our last flight of the day we had to divert to the alternate. No ACARS on the way to the alternate nor when we initialized for the leg back to the original destination.

Although we knew we were extending, the only indication from the company was on the LATT worksheet on the flight plan addendum. The LATT for “without extension” was blank and the “with extension” had the correct time.

SWA doesn't have a fleet like ours, thier network is P2P not hub n' spoke, don't fly redeyes, much lower avg stage, intentionally tight turn times & higher untilization, etc. Much easier to cram more legs per duty than at DL. If we cut & pasted their workrules, we still couldn't replicate their schedules. You know this.

I'd argue since 2018 we haven't seen much increase in value per day, just increased productivity for siimilar pay. NB 3 days are usually ~15:45, 4 days ~21:00. Diference is now the block time is closer ro 15:45, 21:00...soft credit is being eliminated. They've found combining inherent unproductive days with high block days results in no increase in pay, as long as doesn't exceed min trip salaray aka ADG. SWA has ADG 5:39 & at least 4:21 MDG too, as well as a 1 for 1.55 duty rig. Compare that with our 5:15ADG, 0 MDG, & 1 for 2 duty rig. But beware of unintended consequences by ooohhhh :eek:. Tell that to the NYC fleet with 1% commutable trips working their balls off. I'm sure SWA can't wait to get rid of their MDG, so they can avg less pay each day. I'm sure their boss will voluntarily build less productive trips, all for the small tradeoff of working a few extra days a month, an equivalant of an extra bid period each year. :rolleyes:

Yup - I agree with this for sure. I don't mind a ATL-BNA turn, but putting it together with longer flight say would help productivity and make the day seem less crazy, like MSP-ATL-BNA-ATL? The days that are long are the BHM-ATL-CHS-ATL-BHM or something like that.

After thinking back to trips in the last year, it's the long sits that are killing our days. I remember few longs sits on the 737 years ago, and shorter turns. Now, we have a longer turn time typically (but with an aircraft swap of course) and more sitting in odd places, while another crew takes our plane.

How hard is it to be able to move a reserve day around right now over at DL? Short on reserves or is the grid green?

My bad. I'll admit I haven't thoroughly looked thru the bid packages outside of ATL and NYC. Even for NYC trips that report in EWR generally get sent to ATL first leg to get put thru the ringer. In nutshell, I think Rooster sumed it up perfectly, if you can avoid ATL trips are pretty nice

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STT definitely needs special performance to avoid heavy weight restrictions. Even the 757 occasionally is payload optimized. B6 often has a Tech stop for gas on the way back to JFK

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I keep seeing these posts about the horrible trips but when I go look at the actual bid packages the trips look pretty good on paper. I realize that trips often fly differently. You state 3 days are normally 15:45 and 4 days 21:00. The bid packages I looked at on the A320 and 73N that was not the case or even close. In fact I posted on here that I was quite surprised at how high the trip values are. What categories are you looking at? I suspect the 717 has lower time just from the nature of the flying but have not looked.

huh, didn’t know that (also never been)