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Gone Flying 03-28-2022 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 3395071)
I'm still waiting to upgrade here in our biggest hub. Going on 15 years. Can barely hold the plane those guys fly at Southwest but would be bottom reserve. I guess I fail to see the difference.

the junior ATL73NA once all pilots convert from the last AE will be a 11/2017 hire.

an 07 hire would be between 84-88%

on the 320 an 07 hire would be between 65-73%

an 11/2014 hire can hold every NB and ER A category in the system.

I completely understand waiting to upgrade until you can hold XX%, but once all conversions happen, every NB A category in the system will have a CA hired in or after 2015, not even remotely the same as 10 years to take first upgrade

Myfingershurt 03-28-2022 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 3395846)
the junior ATL73NA once all pilots convert from the last AE will be a 11/2017 hire.

an 07 hire would be between 84-88%

on the 320 an 07 hire would be between 65-73%

an 11/2014 hire can hold every NB and ER A category in the system.

I completely understand waiting to upgrade until you can hold XX%, but once all conversions happen, every NB A category in the system will have a CA hired in or after 2015, not even remotely the same as 10 years to take first upgrade

Every category or every aircraft? Cause I’m a 2015 hire and i can’t hold ER captain in Atlanta or Detroit even after all conversions from latest bid.

Trip7 03-28-2022 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by Myfingershurt (Post 3395912)
Every category or every aircraft? Cause I’m a 2015 hire and i can’t hold ER captain in Atlanta or Detroit even after all conversions from latest bid.

ER A is a NB and WB category. For solely NB categories you can hold Captain in every base.

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Gone Flying 03-28-2022 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by Myfingershurt (Post 3395912)
Every category or every aircraft? Cause I’m a 2015 hire and i can’t hold ER captain in Atlanta or Detroit even after all conversions from latest bid.

if you were hired in or before 6/2015 you can hold every NB A (non ER) category at the company unless I missed something. it takes a 11/2014 hire to guarantee all NB and ER categories (No ER in Dtw anymore)


The 3 NB CA categories with the most senior plug appear to be
MSP73NA- hired July 2015
MSP320A - hired jan 2016
SLC320A- hired September 2016

all other NBA categories will have someone hired on or after 9/2016

JamesBond 03-28-2022 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3395822)
A lot of people have no interest in transoceanic. And while it isn't the best aircraft, it's not nearly as bad as some people say it is. It's capable, reliable, and if it pays enough, who cares? I'd fly a crj for the right price.

No I get that long haul isn't for everyone. My point was that you had better be damned sure that you DON'T want to EVER do that kind of flying if you choose LUV over DAL, because the option is gone forever if you do. And I have flown the 737. I'll take an Airbus all day long and twice on Sunday over it. I'll definitely take a 757 over it. And your crj hyperbole is just silly.

notEnuf 03-28-2022 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by JamesBond (Post 3396030)
No I get that long haul isn't for everyone. My point was that you had better be damned sure that you DON'T want to EVER do that kind of flying if you choose LUV over DAL, because the option is gone forever if you do. And I have flown the 737. I'll take an Airbus all day long and twice on Sunday over it. I'll definitely take a 757 over it. And your crj hyperbole is just silly.

If I was #1 or < #5 on a CR9 getting trips I want at our rates I’d take it. The idea that whatever is behind the door is irrelevant was your calling card.

freezingflyboy 03-28-2022 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by Myfingershurt (Post 3395912)
Every category or every aircraft? Cause I’m a 2015 hire and i can’t hold ER captain in Atlanta or Detroit even after all conversions from latest bid.

Wouldn't hold my breath on that Detroit ER captain spot if I were you...

crazyjaydawg 03-28-2022 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 3396162)
If I was #1 or < #5 on a CR9 getting trips I want at our rates I’d take it. The idea that whatever is behind the door is irrelevant was your calling card.


#LGBT pay rates FTW.

Whoopsmybad 03-28-2022 07:51 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 3396220)
Wouldn't hold my breath on that Detroit ER captain spot if I were you...

That reminds me of more than one conversation I’ve had recently:
Other dude: What’s that
Me: It’s a 220
Other dude: That’s a big RJ
Me: Nope those are ours
Other dude: Seriously???

GucciBoy 03-28-2022 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by thrust (Post 3392439)
Sort of.

At AA, reserves flying “OG” (over guarantee, straight pay) or “PR” (premium reserve, 150%) must touch a day off. Most NB pilots, which is where the vast majority of the premium is, know this and don’t even put in a ballot for OG… they put in for PR only. If/when crew scheduling can’t fill a trip with long/short call pilots (or “MU”, lineholder straight pay makeup), it will try obviously to fill the trip OG. But since there aren’t any OG takers, it goes PR. Tons of PR going out every day, all NB domiciles and fleets. A typical strategy is to bid short reserve blocks (3-4 days), pick up 3-4 day PR trip over that footprint starting day prior, repeat throughout month. Requires you to actually go fly… but you were going to get used every reserve day anyway, might as well get paid more for it, and everything goes on top of reserve guarantee. Where AA reserve lags: no payback days, can’t do that rolling thunder thing, can’t bid more than 6-7 day reserve blocks if that’s something you want to do.

The company more or less stopped the method by which lineholders could get premium several days in advance. I don’t know why… for a while they’d recognize a lack of reserves upcoming and you could get premium trips 2+ days in advance. That method could always return if they get desperate enough. Now, they only offer premium to lineholders the day prior through a slightly different system. Lineholders tend not to want the 3-5 day trips as “PM” (lineholder 150% premium) so those go PR instead, and the turns and easy 1-1s go PM. Same concept, company would love to give out open time as MU but that doesn’t work when almost everyone is only in for PM. Nice part of AA system: no premium “trigger”, people can and do drop their entire schedules and fly nothing but premium. Senior NB FOs are killing it. AA lags: only 150% versus DAL 200%, although sounds like AA will match whenever a new contract is signed. AA has a silly punitive sick offset thing that’s complete BS, but that’s also going away. We have a “conflict” function akin to your GSWC but it’s rare.

TL,DR: to say premium is “usually done in advance and they get grabbed by line holders” is not exactly true and lacks context.


“Not exactly true and lacks context” perfectly describes nearly every one of sailing’s posts.


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