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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 3394805)
When they do send a TA, it is almost always disappointing. Then the sales job starts and they start explaining why every section is worse than expected. Throw in a retro check or signing bonus big enough to buy a new car and the vote usually turns out yes. The deal we voted down was 6 months early and had no bonus or retro money so it was much easier to vote down.
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Originally Posted by Fly4FunAA
(Post 3394834)
Reading this forum is definitely insightful as I’m trying to decide between Southwest or Delta.
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
(Post 3394597)
Not actually trying to start a fight or derail the thread.
For those here last contract, however, it was a bit of a head scratcher to have to ignore your negotiating committee who crosses their hearts and hope to die that this is the best, final offer and you have to vote yes....except it wasn't, and most didn't. Do your own due diligence, I guess. Going to be a good long while before we see anything anyway, IMHO.
Originally Posted by NuGuy
(Post 3394866)
A lot of things have changed since TA1. Pro/Con papers. The MEC actually has to endorse an agreement before sending it to the pilots. MEMRAT for letters of agreements. You act like it's still the old days.
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3394623)
It was a major screw up by the MEC and NC last round. They clearly didn't have any idea what the pilots wanted. But if we go into negotiations from now on always saying no, there is no motivation for the company or the union to put any effort into the first TA.
I'm with you on the dudes shouldn't always be auto no vote on the first TA, that's a ridiculous outlook. I certainly don't expect them to bend to every item we want, but I just don't think the company is actually negotiating in good faith when they unnecessarily drag things out, e.g, "last, best offer," that wasn't... Even worse if they actually use phrases like, "if we give it to you, we'd have to give it to other employees."
Originally Posted by NuGuy
(Post 3394866)
A lot of things have changed since TA1. Pro/Con papers. The MEC actually has to endorse an agreement before sending it to the pilots. MEMRAT for letters of agreements. You act like it's still the old days.
Last time, weren't some on the MEC "against" the TA, yet opted to send it to the pilot group anyway? |
Originally Posted by Breadcream
(Post 3394328)
“Industry-best” compared to a bunch of 5 to 6 year old contracts…big whoop. Enough with the wordy updates…get it done already so I can vote “no” on it.
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
(Post 3394481)
Honey Badger beats them all. He just doesn't give a $hi%. He's so nasty.
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Originally Posted by vyperdriver
(Post 3394919)
I would take our first world problems over a 10+ year upgrade and very limited long term outlook on financial income and trip experience (i.e. international etc.). Love my bros at Southwest, I have some great friends there, but like the rest of us, it's not the same it was in the 80's/90's.
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 3395071)
I'm still waiting to upgrade here in our biggest hub. Going on 15 years. Can barely hold the plane those guys fly at Southwest but would be bottom reserve. I guess I fail to see the difference.
NYC73N flying might be the best kept secret at the Widget. I should be quiet but I'm going to around 40% after this last AE with the Widebody AE still to come. Sent from my SM-S908U using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 3395073)
And when you can finally hold a line you'll have to gut out trips that have a heavy influence of retired Maddog and Minidog flying.
NYC73N flying might be the best kept secret at the Widget. I should be quiet but I'm going to around 40% after this last AE with the Widebody AE still to come. Sent from my SM-S908U using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 3395071)
I'm still waiting to upgrade here in our biggest hub. Going on 15 years. Can barely hold the plane those guys fly at Southwest but would be bottom reserve. I guess I fail to see the difference.
So what level of seniority do you think you could hold in ATL @ SWA as an 07 hire? Oh that’s right, nothing. According to APC, their most junior Capt is an 08 hire in Oakland. Just to put things in perspective. I guess I fail to see your argument. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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