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Iceberg 03-25-2022 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Breadcream (Post 3394447)
I was kidding about my automatic “no” vote.

I’m all for saving the animals but what does this TA have to do with a bunch of duck-billed, beaver-tailed, otter-footed, egg-laying aquatic creatures native to Australia?

Its non-lethal venom is the first remedy to discourage further scope violations. Second remedy is a mongoose.

Nick Bradshaw 03-25-2022 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by Iceberg (Post 3394476)
Its non-lethal venom is the first remedy to discourage further scope violations. Second remedy is a mongoose.

Honey Badger beats them all. He just doesn't give a $hi%. He's so nasty.

crewdawg 03-25-2022 07:20 AM


Originally Posted by Breadcream (Post 3394447)
I’m all for saving the animals but what does this TA have to do with a bunch of duck-billed, beaver-tailed, otter-footed, egg-laying aquatic creatures native to Australia?


Well, it's tough to explain, but it has to do with prefamulated amulite and the hydrocoptic marzelveins for the retroincabulator.

DeltaboundRedux 03-25-2022 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by Whoopsmybad (Post 3394433)
Holy crap people, can we at least see it before we start talking about how we vote? We sound like we belong in Congress with that kind of talk.

I was told it's always best to reject the first offer.

Certainly worked last time around.

Viper25 03-25-2022 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3394439)
Doesn't mean there isn't some concessions in there already...





Lol right! Save the eeyore, "we'll get'em next time," platitudes for when the TA is actually released.

The same notepad says: "Eleven sections have been closed securing gains for the Delta pilots *with no concessions.*"

Gunfighter 03-25-2022 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 3394515)
Well, it's tough to explain, but it has to do with prefamulated amulite and the hydrocoptic marzelveins for the retroincabulator.

Which is why they voted down the original TA that included spurving bearings and approved the subsequent version with a lunar waneshaft.

crewdawg 03-25-2022 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Python1287 (Post 3394526)
The same notepad says: "Eleven sections have been closed securing gains for the Delta pilots *with no concessions.*"


Could be true, but I'll believe that when I see it. I hope they're right.

CBreezy 03-25-2022 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux (Post 3394525)
I was told it's always best to reject the first offer.

Certainly worked last time around.

That's negotiating in bad faith. If you always reject the first offer, you should fire the negotiating committee. They are the ones negotiating on your behalf. And if you always say no, the company will not negotiate in good faith and agree to less on the first go around because they know they'll have to wheel and deal later. And it artificially drags out negotiations.

FangsF15 03-25-2022 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by Python1287 (Post 3394526)
The same notepad says: "Eleven sections have been closed securing gains for the Delta pilots *with no concessions.*"

I went and reread Negotiators' Notepad 20-01 for myself, and was pleasantly reminded of a few other improvements.
- Pay above guarantee for SC
- "Improvements" for reserve pilots whose GS/IA is cancelled (currently get nada).
- Automating Sick/well calls (though de facto we have that now with Crew Assist)
- Getting rid of the 'Major Bone' nonsense
- Jumpseat improvements, whatever that means (maybe booking timeline?) May be made moot if we get Pos Space permanently?
- Paid commuter parking
- Class 1 Rest facility for WB mandatory for 'new' aircraft. Unfortunately, the 'existing' 767-400 will probably still only have a Class II, and the 321-NEO's will also only get a Class II if it ever does augmented flying. It's better than nothing.

Still a lot to go, and details to be disclosed, but still...

FangsF15 03-25-2022 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 3394538)
That's negotiating in bad faith. If you always reject the first offer, you should fire the negotiating committee. They are the ones negotiating on your behalf. And if you always say no, the company will not negotiate in good faith and agree to less on the first go around because they know they'll have to wheel and deal later. And it artificially drags out negotiations.

Collectively, yes. But as individuals, which he was responding as, not at all.


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