He said we should reject the first offer because the second one would be better. The only way to do that is if we all vote no.

Not all....just 50.1% 😁

Not actually trying to start a fight or derail the thread.

For those here last contract, however, it was a bit of a head scratcher to have to ignore your negotiating committee who crosses their hearts and hope to die that this is the best, final offer and you have to vote yes....except it wasn't, and most didn't.

Do your own due diligence, I guess. Going to be a good long while before we see anything anyway, IMHO.

Last contract was voted down due to profit sharing and sick concessions. Also trip pulls for OE from bid packet.

The IOE trip pulls was a big one. The Company says the IOE trip buys only benefitted the senior FO's but all the FO's knew that isn't true..It trickles way down the list on the bid, and thru swap with the pot. Plus you don't have the senior FO's bidding the best trips in the bid packet, they bid to fly with LCA instead.

Isn't that what they already do?

It was a major screw up by the MEC and NC last round. They clearly didn't have any idea what the pilots wanted. But if we go into negotiations from now on always saying no, there is no motivation for the company or the union to put any effort into the first TA.

This, I will cautiously optimistic because the NC and MEC know we demand a good contract reflecting what we have put into the operation. That being said if they send over a turn sandwich I will not be afraid to vote no.

When they do send a TA, it is almost always disappointing. Then the sales job starts and they start explaining why every section is worse than expected. Throw in a retro check or signing bonus big enough to buy a new car and the vote usually turns out yes. The deal we voted down was 6 months early and had no bonus or retro money so it was much easier to vote down.

Reading this forum is definitely insightful as I’m trying to decide between Southwest or Delta.